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Well, I found this wood working store a little while back. They have an uber selection of sharpening supplies, and good pricing. I went today, and got myself a 1000 grit Shapton glass stone. I also picked up a big stick of the green compound that they carry.

As required, I came directly home, and used both immediately. I took a used Delica that I have, and used this progression: DMT fine, Spyderco brown stone, and Shapton 1k Glass. Then green compound on a strop. The end result? A mirror polished razor, that cuts like hell. I am buying me some more Shaptons, as soon as I can! They also produce a very different edge. One that does not suck!

As a side note, the DMT fine, and Spyderco brown, are both 600 grit. Yet, they cut very differently, and produce a different edge. At least it seems to me that way.
 
L2bravo said:
Well, I found this wood working store a little while back. They have an uber selection of sharpening supplies, and good pricing. I went today, and got myself a 1000 grit Shapton glass stone. I also picked up a big stick of the green compound that they carry.

As required, I came directly home, and used both immediately. I took a used Delica that I have, and used this progression: DMT fine, Spyderco brown stone, and Shapton 1k Glass. Then green compound on a strop. The end result? A mirror polished razor, that cuts like hell. I am buying me some more Shaptons, as soon as I can! They also produce a very different edge. One that does not suck!

As a side note, the DMT fine, and Spyderco brown, are both 600 grit. Yet, they cut very differently, and produce a different edge. At least it seems to me that way.
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Completely different grit scales and points of reference, for each of those. No relation at all, between one '600' and the other. The DMT '600' (Fine/25 micron) will be much more aggressive, in no small part because it's diamond. The Spyderco brown ceramic, though it's called a '600', is roughly equivalent to 1200-grit FEPA-P grit standard (think of wet/dry sandpaper), in terms of the finish it produces. Even then, it'd still likely be more comparable to the EF (1200 mesh/9 micron) or even EEF (8000 mesh/3 micron) DMT.


David
 
Obsessed with Edges said:
Completely different grit scales and points of reference, for each of those. No relation at all, between one '600' and the other. The DMT '600' (Fine/25 micron) will be much more aggressive, in no small part because it's diamond. The Spyderco brown ceramic, though it's called a '600', is roughly equivalent to 1200-grit FEPA-P grit standard (think of wet/dry sandpaper), in terms of the finish it produces. Even then, it'd still likely be more comparable to the EF (1200 mesh/9 micron) or even EEF (8000 mesh/3 micron) DMT.


David
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Okay, I think I understand. So which would be more aggressive, the Shapton 1k, or the Brown Spydie?
 
L2bravo said:
Okay, I think I understand. So which would be more aggressive, the Shapton 1k, or the Brown Spydie?
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The waterstones aren't yet something I've used, so I couldn't say for certain. I'd guess the Shapton is more aggressive though, in terms of cutting speed/metal removal. Purely in terms of grit size/finish produced, it may be finer (see link below). Waterstones get their speed from constantly exposing new abrasives as you work, which is why I'd guess it's faster than the Spyderco ceramic (most anything is faster than sintered ceramics, in terms of metal removal).

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...nd-Unified-Grit-Chart?p=10931929#post10931929


David
 
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The shapton 1k Should be coarser, on the Japanese grit scale I believe most 1k stones should be around 15-18 microns. Although, I believe the medium spyderco ceramic is similar IIRC it too is 15 microns but due to how the abrasives cut steel I always found a 1k waterstone to be coarser.
 
OK, I'm interested. Where can I buy a Shapton stone? What stores carry them?
I quite a collection of hones, various grits of diamond, washika, soft arkansas, hard arkansas,
Norton Combo and one that was used to sharpen hypo needles before disposables came along.
I also use varieties of grits of emory paper (up to about 1500 ) taped to paint paddles and a leather strop.
I free hand sharpen and can put an edge the will shave the hair off a knat's arse on most any
decent steel. Am always willing to try another stone.

Rich
 
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knifenut1013 said:
The shapton 1k Should be coarser, on the Japanese grit scale I believe most 1k stones should be around 15-18 microns. Although, I believe the medium spyderco ceramic is similar IIRC it too is 15 microns but due to how the abrasives cut steel I always found a 1k waterstone to be coarser.
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The 1k reads 14.7 microns, so I guess they are right there together, in terms of actual grit. To be honest, I like them both, but they are very different though. The Shapton, is the bomb. You know though, I like the Spydie stones, and my DMT's also.

Hey Jason, is 1k to a 6k jump, too much in the Shaptons? Will the 6k polish it well? please let me know if I can level Shaptons with the Norton leveling stone.

Thanks for the help David and Jason.
 
Rich S said:
OK, I'm interested. Where can I buy a Sharpton stone? What stores carry them?
I quite a collection of hones, various grits of diamond, washika, soft arkansas, hard arkansas,
Norton Combo and one that was used to sharpen hype needles before disposables came along.
I free hand sharpen and can put an edge the will shave the hair off a knat's arse on most any
decent steel. Am always willing to try another stone.

Rich
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I believe that CKTG carries them. They are a very different stone. They are very smooth, but cut well, and make some beautiful bevels, that will do some work. I got the 1k....for now
 
While I'm on stupid questions, why doesn't (or does it) plain window glass work as an ultra fine hone? (On a hard flat surface of course)

Rich
 
My understanding is that Woodcraft carries a decent supply of sharpening goodies. There's also a place that sells straight razor stuff but I can't remember the name of the store.

Woodcraft is supposed to have good prices comparable to online places.
 
Strigamort said:
My understanding is that Woodcraft carries a decent supply of sharpening goodies. There's also a place that sells straight razor stuff but I can't remember the name of the store.

Woodcraft is supposed to have good prices comparable to online places.
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Yes Sir, that is where I was at. I am in Houston, so they are local to me. They have decent prices, and a pretty good selection. Lots of DMT stuff, some Spydie stuff, some Shapton, and King, and Norton, and some odds and ends. They also have a pretty badass green compound that I bought today, and it works pretty dang good.
 
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