New poster needs advice on NIB Ambitious purchase.

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I just bought my first Spyderco blade. I have an assorted collection of mostly vintage 'old timers' along with a mix of assisted openers that I collected while searching for the perfect one and settled on the Kershaw Leek quite a few years back. So-as an introduction-that would be my most favored blade to date though I am just starting to explore the world of high-end knives. The Leek was more or less a lucky accident as I didn't really know the brand at the time. So after watching many youtube reviews of the MANY fanatical Spyderco fans I decided the Ambitious was the perfect entry model for the brand before I dove into the higher end models such as the Superleaf(my preferred style) or the Para, Tenacious, or even the Delectico.

To start I should say I have been WILDLY impressed with the OTHER 'value' knife I just purchased online-The Kershaw Crown 3160. I have read some reviews that point out a few build and qc issues but I must have hit the lottery because my $14 Crown has a near perfect build and along with its natural beauty, warm Micarta scales and lightning fast blade it could easily fool many into believing this was a much higher-end knife. So-this has been my edc for the past month and it is what I had immediately to compare the arriving Ambitious to.

Out of the box-It was mostly everything I expected. The g-10 was slightly underwhelming as I am still over-impressed with the Crowns micarta scales which-as a professional woodworker-feel and look a lot like ebony. But the g-10 is 10x better (imo) then the glass fiber scales which I absolutely can not stand-no matter HOW much I read about how great, strong, light they are. I'm in the camp that thinks those glass/fiber scales feel cheap. So the g-10 is nicely textured and feels substantial enough and I am thinking I should have bought the blue model as I have no colour in my collection.

The problem was the blade. While I have to say this is HANDS DOWN (! wow!) the sharpest blade out-of-the-box I ever purchased there was friction which prevented the blade from opening without a full effort from closed to lock-up. Most guys would have stopped there and sent it back for an exchange but I guess I'm not most guys because I decided to explore. I couldnt accept that my first exposure to this brand that so many seem so fanatical about was so problematic. I instinctively backed the tension screw off but that didn't help. I flicked the blade thinking it would loosen up but it didn't. Then I probably voided the warranty by breaking out the torx and it wasn't exactly a simple breakdown. The lanyard hole has a collar sleeve that prevents an easy separation. However I figured the problem lay in the pivot and I checked the washers and cleaned them and lubed them up. Reassembled and the improvement was minimal. So now I am starting to accept the disappointment of having to pack a new purchase up and send it off. But as a fanatical collector of many other 'guy stuff' I can get pretty damn obsessive and I decided to break it down one last time and check to see if the washers had a sequence to assembly. I was also still in that funny state of denial that comes about when a product you expected so much from fails to deliver. After the 2nd try I noticed a very slight improvement and contacted both the dealer and Spyderco. I readied the knife for return and went to bed. In the morning I found I had a different knife. While I can't say the blade was FLYING out it was now flicking out with some speed and authority into a crisp lock-up. So- based on this first experiance with the brand my few 'Spyderco' questions would be:

A) Was I foolish in exploring the problem and should I have just accepted immediately this knife was not up to Spyderco specs and returned it?

B) I had read one other post about a guy who had a similar problem and solved it so is this kind of thing not all that uncommon in the 'value' line?

C) How fast is the typical Ambitious (Persistence, Tenacious, etc) blade opening? Considering I am comparing this (fairly or not) to a $14 Kershaw Crown which does literally fly open my Ambition now opens quickly and precisely but not lighting fast. I can live with this if it is considered normal for the model line. But if most Ambitious blades also 'fly' out I should probably accept the truth.

D) I am sure my dealer would take the knife back but he has no more and the blue model which I like a lot is $19 more. So I am not eager to return for a refund as I want the Ambitious to keep but not if its a lemon. Considering the problem is abating and seems to be getting better the more I obsessively flick-should I stick with it or accept its performing below par? (after all-its just a knife and I maintain all my knives after they have been used and beaten on. Maybe I should I just consider this an 'early' service...or am I kidding myself?)

thanks. sorry my first post was so long. I suppose its important since I am ready to explore one or two more purchases of higher-end knives and don't want an improper impression of Spyderco.

p.s.-it just occurred to me that my Ambitious had four(4) washers-2 on each side which I assume is normal?
 
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Ambitious, Persistence, Tenacious, Resilience in that order...is Spyderco lower price entry (Made in China) knives with Liner Locking mechanism..
Next step, into Made in Japan Seki City FRN...Delica & Endura with lock back...

My favorite is the Manix ball bearing lock & the compression lock of the PM2...also found in the Superleaf...those are the 2 locking mechanism I love.
 
To answer you're questions:

A) to be honest yes

B) not that iv heard of

C)fairly fast

D)I'd say be persistent (see what I did there?) it should smooth out..

I will say this, Iv never felt a bad spyderco ever......the delica and endura are amazing knives, also if you don't alread know about kershaw guy...look him up!

Oh and welcome to the forums!!!

-niner
 
I think i can [almost] safely say I am at the level of answer (C), "fairly fast" which has made me feel better about not sending it immediately back. 'Fairly fast' does not imply "lightning fast" so I can accept my new knife as performing within normal specs and I was only expecting 'fast' with anything more being a bonus. (and it continues to improve-which is nice but seems odd still. persistence huh?) If someone here tells me their Ambitious is every bit as fast as a Crown or another fast blade I will have to reconsider my 14 day option to return for a refund (or pay another $20 for a blue model as the guys out of black @ $24.95)

As a new poster I will be honest and say it took me a LONG while to be won over by the basic Spyderco design ethic. In fact-I thought they were downright fugly looking up until recently. I have since started to tire of the 'ol Leek design and started to search out new blade horizons. I was impressed with the brand loyalty I learned of. While the mainstay Spyderco Delica and their 'hook' blade designs still don't do it for me I found the chubby leaf blade designs got my blood flowing. There is something anthropomorphic about them that I can't quite describe. They look like some animal but exactly which one? I like an assortment of blade styles and I wanted something different. I have been having a month long affair with a crazy cheap $14 Kershaw Crown which exceeded ALL my expectations for a 'gentleman' edc drop-point So I naturally expected a LOT from the Ambitious even if it is a 'value' line.

I hope this won't be controversial if I say that the build quality of the Crown and the Ambitious are equal in every way except ONE crucial aspect. The BLADE! So far the blade quality on the Spyderco exceeds my expectations for a value knife and only Opinel and my 50s Shrade Old Timer come close in this respect and that is in sharpness. I have NO experience with 8Cr13mov and don't know a lot about it vs. Aus8 or 440, etc. Ironically-as a cabinet maker I am an obsessive sharpener and keep my Japanese and Swiss chisels and blades as razor sharp as possible with my Japanese wet stones and diamond hones.

I was kind of hoping to use this Ambitious as an introduction to the brand and then work up to one of the $100-$150 models which I assume will be worth the expense in terms of detail and quality. Up until very recently I couldn't see spending more then $40 for a blade even though I collect high-end vintage watches and lighters with the principle in basic price vs. quality being the same, I imagine.) I saw a photo of a Superleaf which I liked very much but don't know its pricepoint or size. There is another Spyderco thats totally symmetrical which I thought was really interesting too. But I like to stick to smaller EDC/workhorse carry size. Any suggestions on models that conform to the style of the 'chubby leaf blade' models that are under $170 would be helpful. Also- any opinions on how build quality compares to models in the $90-$170 range vs. the over $200? Are the differences PRONOUNCED? And lastly-what other brands to Spyderco fanatics like most-or are all the top 5-7 names good bets?

Again-as a new poster-thnx for the welcome and to get a sense of my blade 'profile' I'll list my top 5 blades I use, beat and carry often. Except for Victornox-I'm on the lower end of price:

1.CRKT ed halligan h.u.g. (don't underestimate this little bugger)

2.Shrade Old Timer 4" brass liner lock (classy 'ol whittler)

3.Opinel #7 & #9 (with custom handle)

4.Kershaw Leek, OSO

5.Victornox Superchamp (or whatever the big boy is called. Never without this or Leatherman Juice purple w diamond hone)

Am interested in:

1.Spyderco SuperLeaf, Para, and the little metal slip-joint guy with stag handle

2. Benchmade Nitrous Torrent

3. Al Mar falcon (maybe-looks pretty)

4. And maybe another Ambitious/Persistence in blue if my new one continues to improve blade speed.
 
To answer your question about the +$200 dollar spydercos:
Tuffthumbz (youtuber) basically he modifies knives to his customers specifications, and he said the southard is one of his favorite knives..keep in mind people send him knives that well exceed the $500 dollar mark and he owns knives that cost +$700 dollars, now for the record that's not why I respect him, I do because I love his work and the fact that iv seen him do many kind things for people..

As far as the top 5 knife company's in my opinion (in no particular order) there:
Spyderco
Benchmade
Kershaw
Zero tolorence
Buck

Now there's also the super high end knives, such as Chris reeves and Rick hinder...

Also for the chubby leaf blade there's a sprint model (limited prudution) spyderco lava coming out soon....
Also there's this place that sells the super leaf knife, also Iv heard some conversations centerd around how good it was;) there's also a place that has it for $99 *cough**unde*r***couugh*lin*edcough

Hope it helps!

-niner
 
Thanks I am now starting to research SuperLeaf (which I actually thought was an entirely its OWN brand at first) . My Ambitious should hold me over for a while -especially now that I have seen a few more videos pertaining to blade speed. I realize mine is working absolutely within specs-NOW. (it actually wasn't at first) But according to the guy who is FRIENDS with the guy-Tufthubz-that you mentioned who does semi-critical (but honest,imo) yt vids on Spyderco and claims they "don't like him" [neptune___?] He actually likes the Amb a lot and points out the slower speed of the blade as a feature he likes (for safety) as opposed to me-who was expecting 'assisted' like action out of box. This guy raves about tuftmbz so I am assuming his opinion is the gold standard in blades. As for the neptune review? He seems overly obsessed with liner-lock strength which is not a high priority for me as I have awls for gouging and I never saw the point in 'spine whacking' which strikes me as absurd but can see why guys find it appealing. I see men (clients) who own every tool in the book and still use an ashtray as a hammer- so using a knife as a hammer seems par. I am thinking my new Spyderco may be one of those knives that continues to grow until it creates a fanatical interest level. For some reason this never happened with Kershaw Leek which is an oddly perfect knife and I don't so much like the other 'Leek' based designs.

I'm going to search this tufthmbz because I too am a big 'tinkerer' and have wildly modified Opinels I use a lot in my shop. I have always wanted a bright orange/yellow/red handle and wonder if g-10 blanks in colours are available? Just an idea for next years winter break unless I find aftermarket scales that save me the trouble.

The only thing I don't need is another wildly expensive and ADDICTIVE hobby as vintage watches and Dunhill/Dupont lighters are enough! One really good mid-range $100-$200 EDC should hopefully do the trick.

(and again-if mentioning kershaw on spyderco is frowned upon-sorry-but for those that like to BUY knives but not always spend a lot-As a long time woodworker familiar with knives and blades-the Crown is a beautifully functioning quality edc -but mostly because it is so frikkin cheap @ <$20. Its like the same as not owning one Opinel. How can you not? With that and now the much more rugged and stubby Ambitious-I'll be in 'value-league' knife heaven for a good stretch.
 
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Oh Neptune...sigh I have to say I don't agree with a lot of what he says lol but he's still a cool guy and I like to watch his Channel...well any way I imagine sense you like vintage watches and Dunhill-Dupont lighters you might be interested in looking at great Eastern cutlery, There beautiful knives...also I'll tell you right now, once you've had a quality pocket knife you can't go back (or stop for that matter)

Also I imagine you might appreciate looking at rock stead knives.....amazon things they take them up to around 67 Rockwell..

And as a last word being a cabinet maker I'm sure you appreciate quality tools and know how addictive they can be....don't say I dident warn ya:D

-niner

P.S
It's spelled tuffthumbz with two ff's and a u (I don't know if you where abbreviating)
Also no it's not frowned upon most of the people on this sub forum own a kershaw or two (they won't admit to it though)
 
yes. I'm worried about the 'addiction'. So far-as much as a claim to be "blown away" by some of the 'value' blades like Kershaw, Opinel, CRKT it is true that I don't own a single mid-range to high-end blade. I never saw the need before even though I have very expensive Swiss/Japanese woodworking blades. The ambitious is actually the first blade I consciously bought as a precursor to a higher end Spyderco. I suppose my 9yr old Leek was a 'new generation' US made blade but it wasn't much more then $40 at the time. I am getting curious about how much 'nicer' a high ender could possibly be since I am so easily satisfied with e.g. the Ambitious blade, The carbon Opinels, Old Timers, etc. (and i don't baby anything) and thnx for the tuffthumbz-I see he has bright orange scales.
 
Hello Dabakr,

Not sure if you were referencing my Blue Persistance thread earlier, but mine had some issues with grit in the pivot. A piece of the liner had actually chipped out when they tapped it for the clip screws. A good cleaning a some oil got things moving nicely again. I also lightly sanded the washers and liners with some high grit auto paper.

The value line was also my "gateway" into Spyderco. In short order, I ended up with a Chaparral, Para 2, & a Military as well. These are all a big step up IMO. Very fast, smooth deployment and zero issues.
 
yes. I'm worried about the 'addiction'. So far-as much as a claim to be "blown away" by some of the 'value' blades like Kershaw, Opinel, CRKT it is true that I don't own a single mid-range to high-end blade. I never saw the need before even though I have very expensive Swiss/Japanese woodworking blades. The ambitious is actually the first blade I consciously bought as a precursor to a higher end Spyderco. I suppose my 9yr old Leek was a 'new generation' US made blade but it wasn't much more then $40 at the time. I am getting curious about how much 'nicer' a high ender could possibly be since I am so easily satisfied with e.g. the Ambitious blade, The carbon Opinels, Old Timers, etc. (and i don't baby anything) and thnx for the tuffthumbz-I see he has bright orange scales.

All I can say to you is good luck....it's a long treacherous road to follow (lot of sharp things along the way:D)

Good luck!

-niner
 
All of my folders from the budget line flick out really quickly. When I bought my tenacious it was a bit stiff, but after some play it flicks out nicely. I can flick all of them open with easy and quickness with either a thumb flick or middle finger flick. I really only have trouble with the reliance due to its size, but its nothing crazy.

To let you know I own the ambitious, persistence (both blue and black), Tenacious (Blue, black and green) and Resilience (Black). They're all quick to deploy.
 
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