New Spyderco endura grind

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Ordered a new endura saber ground. Was expecting a slight hollow grind. As I understand that have switched to flat grind. The edge must have been nearly 1/32" thick before the sharpening bevel. Super wide bevel and very thick at the shoulders. I like the knife otherwise so I started trying to thin it out scandi style on a DMT extra coarse. Anyone else notice this about the new saber enduras?
 
I don't have a camera to take a good pic. Just think of an edge bevel about 5 times the width of a normal Spyderco or benchmade. I think they are just having trouble transitioning from the hollow to the flat with such a shallow saber grind.
 
SwissHeritageCo said:
That's surprising and unfortunate. Fat shoulders are cut killers.
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Yes, it's not acceptable. The worst cutting knife I have ever owned. The bevel is also so wide that it's easy to see it's uneven. Too much to take off for someone sharpening by hand originally so it shows.

I will get some pics posted when I'm done turning it into a scandi. About an hour so far on one side and a long way to go. I do have jigs and a grinder/knife belts but I don't trust myself to get it right that way.
 
Sabre grinds can be fine, it all depends on the overall grind geometry.

I'm loving the new Benchmade 710 in S90V steel. The edge from the factory is just over 17 thousandths (0.0175 inches), and the spine starts at 0.115 inches. It's an excellent slicer, despite the saber grind and the narrow blade.

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Twindog said:
Sabre grinds can be fine, it all depends on the overall grind geometry.

I'm loving the new Benchmade 710 in S90V steel. The edge from the factory is just over 17 thousandths (0.0175 inches), and the spine starts at 0.115 inches. It's an excellent slicer, despite the saber grind and the narrow blade.

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That looks great. Glad to see the 710 is back. I would have been very happy with an edge like that.
 
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GreenOwl said:
Yes, it's not acceptable. The worst cutting knife I have ever owned. The bevel is also so wide that it's easy to see it's uneven. Too much to take off for someone sharpening by hand originally so it shows.

I will get some pics posted when I'm done turning it into a scandi. About an hour so far on one side and a long way to go. I do have jigs and a grinder/knife belts but I don't trust myself to get it right that way.
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Need before and after pics for any real context....
 
Skar said:
Where was the purchase from ?
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Amazon. I thought it could be fake also but I read on the Spyderco forum they recently changed the grind from hollow to flat for some reason. The design was better hollow. Otherwise the geometry works out to be nearly normal scandi grind if zero ground. I'm guessing primary grind is about 9 degrees per side as is.
 
Keep in mind I'm no Spyderco hater. I've switched over to all spydercos. They work for me. Even the Byrd's, resilience is awesome, para 3, love it. They work for me. Just surprised by this one and how they dropped the ball.
 
GreenOwl said:
Amazon. I thought it could be fake also but I read on the Spyderco forum they recently changed the grind from hollow to flat for some reason. The design was better hollow. Otherwise the geometry works out to be nearly normal scandi grind if zero ground. I'm guessing primary grind is about 9 degrees per side as is.
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I would be suspicious of a knife bought off of Amazon. I don’t recall them using a hollow grind on endura? I was under impression hollow grind was specific to certain knives ( Gayle Bradley).
 
Skar said:
I would be suspicious of a knife bought off of Amazon. I don’t recall them using a hollow grind on endura? I was under impression hollow grind was specific to certain knives ( Gayle Bradley).
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I could be wrong but I just read about the other day and the main guy Sal or something was talking about it. I really think they just don't know how to manufacture this one now in seki.

I think this was the thread. https://forum.spyderco.com/viewtopic.php?t=87912
 
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The way I understand it, the Japanese maker is struggling and Spyderco is doing what they can to assist.

BTW, Sal is the founder of Spyderco and is/was chief designer. His son Eric has the wheel now.
 
GreenOwl said:
Ordered a new endura saber ground. Was expecting a slight hollow grind. As I understand that have switched to flat grind. The edge must have been nearly 1/32" thick before the sharpening bevel. Super wide bevel and very thick at the shoulders. I like the knife otherwise so I started trying to thin it out scandi style on a DMT extra coarse. Anyone else notice this about the new saber enduras?
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I have full flat ground, hollow ground saber, and flat ground saber Spydercos.
I actually prefer the flat ground saber over the hollow ground saber. I carry the saber grind instead of the full flat when I want a stronger blade. (The saber ground blades do not have a distal taper.) A flat ground saber has more steel in the blade than the hollow ground saber. And I find they perform cutting chores just as well as the hollow grind ones. When I want a slicer, I carry FFG.
 
I don't mind sabre grind if the secondary bevel isn't obnoxious. I guess in this case at least you can regrind.
 
Mike Janich replied today to my question about this. Here is his response:

The saber-ground Endura Lightweights have always been a flat saber. The stainless models were hollow saber grinds up until a few years ago. They then changed to flat saber as well.

Stay safe,

Mike
 
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