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I like large blades, but I have heard great things about the RMD. I may go with the Rodent 9, but I really hate waiting. Thanks, Jason
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New to Busse Kin... SYKCO 711 or SWKW RMD?
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I just got my 711 recently and it's awesome. I straight beat on it for half an hour on a variety of woods, and I was disappointed to see it still looked brand new. I then wittled a thin stick with it to see if it could handle small jobs. I recommend the 711 for that reason, I think the extra two inches will definitely help with a lot of jobs.
Here's mine:
Here's mine:
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Jason, if you like larger blades...I wouldn't hesitate to go with a Rodent-9 for a number of reasons. Without going on a tangent, it is a very usable no BS full tang chopper that is ready for abuse directly from the Swamp. Go with a 9 brother 
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Thanks for the replies. I am buying a 711 from a forum member. Can't wait to get her.
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That would be great. Where do you live?
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I'm sold.
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gruntstorm, If you like large blades, I would go for the SYKCO 711 or the rodent 9. The RMD is an awesome blade, but it falls more in the middle range, and as drbarnes says "its about as perfect as it gets for a midsize blade".
I have a SYKCO 711 on the way, and I'm really close to pulling the trigger on the rodent 9. The best answer is buy all three, but if you are picking just one, I don't see a bad pick.
I have a SYKCO 711 on the way, and I'm really close to pulling the trigger on the rodent 9. The best answer is buy all three, but if you are picking just one, I don't see a bad pick.
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711 for camping/hiking/shtf knife.
RMD for edc/lighter tasks.
Don't have a rodent 9, so can't say, but the 911 should be coming soon and with res-c for a chopper, I would get that before a rodent 9.
The only thing that could make the 711 any better in my opinion would be for it to be a rat with the round choil instead of a dog with the squarish one which is still very comfortable.
I am really impressed with the 711, it could easily take the place of my B11/B4 combos as a one knife solution.
You can see how a 711 fits into my res-c collection in this pic.
The middle one on top is the original camp tramp, the other 3 are the 711 which is essentially the latest remake of it that I actually like a little better. :foot:
RMD for edc/lighter tasks.
Don't have a rodent 9, so can't say, but the 911 should be coming soon and with res-c for a chopper, I would get that before a rodent 9.
The only thing that could make the 711 any better in my opinion would be for it to be a rat with the round choil instead of a dog with the squarish one which is still very comfortable.
I am really impressed with the 711, it could easily take the place of my B11/B4 combos as a one knife solution.
You can see how a 711 fits into my res-c collection in this pic.
The middle one on top is the original camp tramp, the other 3 are the 711 which is essentially the latest remake of it that I actually like a little better. :foot:
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If you want a sweet knife to pair with something larger, the RMD is your man. Full, exposed tang and micarta are where it's at.
That said, I just took the 711 camping this past weekend and it was most excellent and can do more than the RMD can do. The RMD is a top knife and I mean no disrespect but the 711 comes from the same company and has the same steel, same heat treatment -but with a thicker stock, more overall weight, and more forward balance for smaller chopping/hacking chores. It was great for splitting wood for the fire and the goofy and shallow choil (there always has to be some punishment for better price point, right?
) worked fine for shaving sticks. It is a very useful knife and a ton of fun to handle.
Last summer I thought that the B11/Rodent Solution combo was the end of my camping knife setup hunt. I took the 711 out on its own last weekend to purposefully give the "one knife solution" size range a shot -and learned that the 711 is a great one knife option.
Good luck with your knife hunt. It sure makes for some good times trying to figure out what works best :thumbup:
That said, I just took the 711 camping this past weekend and it was most excellent and can do more than the RMD can do. The RMD is a top knife and I mean no disrespect but the 711 comes from the same company and has the same steel, same heat treatment -but with a thicker stock, more overall weight, and more forward balance for smaller chopping/hacking chores. It was great for splitting wood for the fire and the goofy and shallow choil (there always has to be some punishment for better price point, right?
) worked fine for shaving sticks. It is a very useful knife and a ton of fun to handle.Last summer I thought that the B11/Rodent Solution combo was the end of my camping knife setup hunt. I took the 711 out on its own last weekend to purposefully give the "one knife solution" size range a shot -and learned that the 711 is a great one knife option.
Good luck with your knife hunt. It sure makes for some good times trying to figure out what works best :thumbup:
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They both have very well designed handles with the 7-11 being a little beefier and more hand-filling.
The 7-11 has a very weight-forward design because it has a reduced tang as opposed to the full tang design of the RMD, making it a more neutral knife.
The 7-11 has a shallow, squared choil where the RMD has a deeper, round choil.
They are both high saber grinds with secondary bevels.
The blade coating on the 7-11 seems thicker and more textured, although not by much.
They are both through hardened.
The significant difference you will notice more than these things (except maybe the choil and weight difference) is the blade length. The 7-11 has a thicker and wider blade, along with it's extra length, although in my opinion, the length makes the most usable difference.
If you aren't planning on doing a lot of chopping of thicker woods, the RMD can do almost as well as the 7-11.
The RMD has been tooled up several times recently and being as popular as it is, I imagine there will be future opportunities to buy it again (although you never know for sure!).
The 7-11 is a new design so who knows how long it will be available. I imagine once they are done with this run, the prices will go way up on the secondary market.
My advice? By both!!
The 7-11 has a very weight-forward design because it has a reduced tang as opposed to the full tang design of the RMD, making it a more neutral knife.
The 7-11 has a shallow, squared choil where the RMD has a deeper, round choil.
They are both high saber grinds with secondary bevels.
The blade coating on the 7-11 seems thicker and more textured, although not by much.
They are both through hardened.
The significant difference you will notice more than these things (except maybe the choil and weight difference) is the blade length. The 7-11 has a thicker and wider blade, along with it's extra length, although in my opinion, the length makes the most usable difference.
If you aren't planning on doing a lot of chopping of thicker woods, the RMD can do almost as well as the 7-11.
The RMD has been tooled up several times recently and being as popular as it is, I imagine there will be future opportunities to buy it again (although you never know for sure!).
The 7-11 is a new design so who knows how long it will be available. I imagine once they are done with this run, the prices will go way up on the secondary market.
My advice? By both!!
I just added this to another post regarding the RMD and Scrapyard 711
Hi,
Picture first!!
Here is the Scrapyard 711, Esee 6, and the Swamprat Ratmandu.
Swamprat Rodent 9, Scrapyard 711, Scrapyard 511, and Scrapyard 311.
The specs on these knives
Esee 6
Overall length: 11.75"
Cutting Edge Length: 5.75"
Blade length (end of handle to tip of blade): 6.5"
Blade Width: 1.56"
Weight (knife only): 11.8 ounces
(SY) 711 (SR101-ThroughHard)..... = 14.6 oz; .25" thick; 7.375" blade; 12.5" oal
Ratmandu (G10) (SR101)..... = 11 oz; .189" thick; 5.3125" blade; 10.5" oal
Ratmandu (micarta) (SR101) = 9.4 - 10 oz; .173", .189", .2" thick; 5.3125" blade; 10.5" oa
I am a big fan of the Ratmandu. It feels great and is a wonderful knife. I agree with Del, the handle did cause some concern but with use it doesnt bother me. I usually prefer a rounded tang but I got used to it.
As Tree suggested the Scrapyard 711 would be a great addition for you as well. It is thicker than the Esee 6 but not much longer. It would take care of any chopping chores you have and with the choil you can get up close for detail work. I like the res c handles. I have never had any get damaged even with the occasional miss of the baton.
Both Scrapyard and Swamprat have excellent customer service and life time guarantee like our beloved Esee.
The only down side to the Busse kin of knives is that they do not come with sheaths.
Now the Ratmandu and 711 are both reasonably priced so it really wasnt an issue for me, now when you pay 3-400 dollars I still believe a sheath should come with.
For a different flavor you cant go wrong with either.
I did a write up when the 711 first came out, here is a link to it.
http://www.jungletraining.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10827
Let us know what you decide!!
Hi,
Picture first!!
Here is the Scrapyard 711, Esee 6, and the Swamprat Ratmandu.
Swamprat Rodent 9, Scrapyard 711, Scrapyard 511, and Scrapyard 311.
The specs on these knives
Esee 6
Overall length: 11.75"
Cutting Edge Length: 5.75"
Blade length (end of handle to tip of blade): 6.5"
Blade Width: 1.56"
Weight (knife only): 11.8 ounces
(SY) 711 (SR101-ThroughHard)..... = 14.6 oz; .25" thick; 7.375" blade; 12.5" oal
Ratmandu (G10) (SR101)..... = 11 oz; .189" thick; 5.3125" blade; 10.5" oal
Ratmandu (micarta) (SR101) = 9.4 - 10 oz; .173", .189", .2" thick; 5.3125" blade; 10.5" oa
I am a big fan of the Ratmandu. It feels great and is a wonderful knife. I agree with Del, the handle did cause some concern but with use it doesnt bother me. I usually prefer a rounded tang but I got used to it.
As Tree suggested the Scrapyard 711 would be a great addition for you as well. It is thicker than the Esee 6 but not much longer. It would take care of any chopping chores you have and with the choil you can get up close for detail work. I like the res c handles. I have never had any get damaged even with the occasional miss of the baton.
Both Scrapyard and Swamprat have excellent customer service and life time guarantee like our beloved Esee.
The only down side to the Busse kin of knives is that they do not come with sheaths.
Now the Ratmandu and 711 are both reasonably priced so it really wasnt an issue for me, now when you pay 3-400 dollars I still believe a sheath should come with.
For a different flavor you cant go wrong with either.
I did a write up when the 711 first came out, here is a link to it.
http://www.jungletraining.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10827
Let us know what you decide!!
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"I]711 for camping/hiking/shtf knife.
RMD for edc/lighter tasks.
Don't have a rodent 9, so can't say, but the 911 should be coming soon and with res-c for a chopper, I would get that before a rodent 9.
The only thing that could make the 711 any better in my opinion would be for it to be a rat with the round choil instead of a dog with the squarish one which is still very comfortable.
I am really impressed with the 711, it could easily take the place of my B11/B4 combos as a one knife solution.
You can see how a 711 fits into my res-c collection in this pic.
The middle one on top is the original camp tramp, the other 3 are the 711 which is essentially the latest remake of it that I actually like a little better. [/I]
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Az, I agree I do like a rounded choil al little better than a square one. And your statement of the 711 doing the chores of a B11 and b4 is right on as well. For a larger, heavier knife the 711 is quite capable of detail work.
well put Az.:thumbup:
RMD for edc/lighter tasks.
Don't have a rodent 9, so can't say, but the 911 should be coming soon and with res-c for a chopper, I would get that before a rodent 9.
The only thing that could make the 711 any better in my opinion would be for it to be a rat with the round choil instead of a dog with the squarish one which is still very comfortable.
I am really impressed with the 711, it could easily take the place of my B11/B4 combos as a one knife solution.
You can see how a 711 fits into my res-c collection in this pic.
The middle one on top is the original camp tramp, the other 3 are the 711 which is essentially the latest remake of it that I actually like a little better. [/I]
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Az, I agree I do like a rounded choil al little better than a square one. And your statement of the 711 doing the chores of a B11 and b4 is right on as well. For a larger, heavier knife the 711 is quite capable of detail work.
well put Az.:thumbup:
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I just received my SYKCO 711 with the black Spec ops sheath. It is my first Busse Kin knife. I love it, I will take her to the woods soon and see how she performs. Thanks for all of your replies.
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Yeah! :thumbup: Great choice and congrats on your first Bussekin score!
You are going to have a lot of fun with that one and you will never forget it. It's your gateway knife to the addiction.
Pics are in order, especially when you use her.
You are going to have a lot of fun with that one and you will never forget it. It's your gateway knife to the addiction.
Pics are in order, especially when you use her.
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Since your new to Bussekin you havvveeee to get the Rat Man Du , its a middle of the road awesome knife , everyone needs 1 , so start there.
Now for your Next knife , if your looking for a chopper , Id say the 711 or the SOD , for me if I need bigger knife than that Im using my tomahawk or axe for sure
Everyone NEEDS a RMD
Now for your Next knife , if your looking for a chopper , Id say the 711 or the SOD , for me if I need bigger knife than that Im using my tomahawk or axe for sure
Everyone NEEDS a RMD