New to Busse Knives and I have a couple of questions

Redhook

Redhook

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Hi guys,

I'm new to Busse Knives, but so far I likes what I see's. I was hoping you could answer a couple of questions.

1) I'm not familiar with INFI. Can someone give me more details?

2) Do sheaths come with Busse Knives? What style are they? If they are not Kydex, can you recommend someone who does good work with Kydex?

3) In my impecable timing, I missed Jerry's email about the Badger Attack 3, but I'm interested on what you guys have written so far. Mostly because of the straight handle. Is this something that will go into regular production? Did you guys get a picture? Would it be alright to post it here? Or is there a place on the busse site where they list new products?

I'm sure I'll have more questions as I get more into this, but that's it for now. Thanks!

-Red-

I knew I'd come up with other questions.

4) Scale material, is Black Micarta standard? I've seen quite a few Busse's pictures with lighter almost tan color. Is that an option or is that just the camera flash?

5) On the standard models, Natural Outlaw, Battle Mistress, etc.; how tall is the blade? Do they all measure pretty much the same?

Thanks Again guys!
 
Redhook,
Welcome to the Forum. Stick around

I will try to answer your questions.

  1. 1) INFI is a proprietary steel used by Busse Combat Knives with their own Tempering and heat treat methods
  2. 2) Yes the Busse knives come with sheaths. They are Nylon/Kydex Sheaths. If you would like a Kydex only Sheath you can get these from Busse as well, they are made by On Scene Tactical which is owned by one of the Forumites here "Normark". You may also get one from Buy Brown Sheaths which is owned by Dave Brown another Forumite "Buy Brown". Both do excellent work.
  3. 3) The Badger Attack 3 was just introduced within the last 24 hours so I don't think anyine has their hands on one yet. I'm sure they will be awesome knives just like the rest of the Busse Combat Line. As this is the replacement for the Badger Attack E I'm pretty sure this will be a regular part of the line-up.
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    My advice:BUY ONE ! If you don't like it you can always sell it, there is no shortage of folks looking to buy INFI.

    I hope this helps if you have any more questions I am sure someone will be able to answer them, including Jerry himself who is in here frequently when he is not busy Grinding Away.

    Nick
 
Welcome Red,

Here's a web page that's gives a good overall breifing on Busse topics.

http://www.bussecombat.com/faqs.html

2. Several good kydex sheath makers for Busse knives.

Dave Brown favors the friction fit style

Eric of On scene Tactical favors Wilderness proof sheathing.

Enjoy
 
Redhook,
Welcome to the forums, glad you stopped by. If you send me an email I can forward you a copy of the Busse Email. It includes pictures of 2 new knives currently not on the website. While you're at it, go to www.bussecombat.com and sign up for the email mailing list, that way you won't miss any future announcements.

The sheaths are a kydex lined cordura sheath. A picture of the new Satin Jack style sheath is in this thread, this is similar in style to what has been used in the past with some alterations. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=204371

If you order a knife you may want to inquire if you are getting a new sheath or one of the older styles of sheath. I also have some pictures of the sheaths, if you want these pictures let me know.

e_isaacs@bellsouth.net
 
Seth,

Friction fit is self explanitory. But can you explain what Wilderness proof sheathing is? I assume you are refering to some other form of knife to sheath retention like a strap. Kinda like jump proof holsters, sheaths, etc.

Also, how much does a kydex/tek-loc sheath cost by it's self?

-Red-

I knew I'd come up with other questions.

1) Scale material, is Black Micarta standard? I've seen quite a few Busse's pictures with lighter almost tan color. Is that an option or is that just the camera flash?

2) On the standard models, Natural Outlaw, Battle Mistress, etc.; how tall is the blade? Do they all measure pretty much the same?

Thanks Again guys!
 
Welcome Red,
first of all Busse knives will NEVER let you down, second, there is a tremendous secondary market for busse knives, so you can safely buy and try any that you are considering and if it's not "the one" you can likely get your money back out of it selling on the forums. However, I should point out one of the reasons the secondary market is so strong is most Busse owners can't bring them self to part with their beloved Busse knives :D So there, you've been warned.
Also, check out BadMojo at this link http://www.badmojo.tv/ a great site for Busse info and it's done by forumite Firehorse and frequent Busse forum contributor.
As far as sheaths, the standard Busse kydex lined codura a quite good, especially for the larger blades with the front pouch. For the smaller blades, I personally like BuyBrown kydex sheaths done by David Brown. I have his sheaths for my KB,BA,PH,NO and Basic 5 and they are AWESOME!!! And Seth is right BuyBrown uses a blade friction fit that I prefer. It allows you to draw quicker and smoother IMHO and allows you to get a full and final grip on the knife before drawing because he doesn't bring the kydex way up onto the handle scales. I like them a bunch :D
As far as INFI is concerned, there is some good info on this on the BadMojo site and I'm sure Eric will (or has already by the time I'm finished typing this) provide some links to forum discussions on INFI.
 
Red-

On Scene Tactical's designs tend to grasp areas of the blade and handle for extra retention. Thus, when in the back-country, a tumble, fall, or brush snag, is less likely to free the knife.

The trade off is a slighly larger sheath, with a little slowness in drawing the knife. Each User will have the own needs and desires.

Custom Kydex will vary in price range, dependant on a lot of factors.

-Seth
 
Welcome aboard. Warning: Once you start, you can't stop.
 
Redhook asked:

"I'm not familiar with INFI. Can someone give me more details?"

If I may quote Climber, a fellow forumite, from a post on the BusseCombat site:

"Some Technical Details...
Although INFI is not considered "stainless" by the arbitrary standard by which metals are judged, which is "higher than 15% Chromium" or "higher than 14.5% Chromium" or "higher than 12% Chromium" or whoever you're asking... Yet it DOES what "stainless" is SUPPOSED to do: Retard Corrosion. What really makes something "stainless" or stains less than standard carbon steels??? A good amount of FREE Chromium is ONE method, the most common. Free Chromium inhibits bonding by "outside influences" beyond the metal matrix itself. But to GET to that stage where the Chromium is "freed up" ah, there's the rub. Carbon "locks up" 17 times its weight in Chromium, under normal circumstances, & no other factors involved; which there sometimes are... (Hey, you want a SIMPLE answer? Then ask a simpler question! Ha, Ha! )
So if a steel has 1 full % of Carbon, it would 'normally' require 17% of Chromium to bond with the Carbon, producing Chromium Carbides -- good hardness qualities, good wear resistance, good toughness as benefits --BEFORE any FREE Chromium can do any real benefit in the 'stainless' or Corrosion Resistance department. 440C is around 1% Carbon, & usually 18% Chromium; hence it is a good corrosion-fighter: It has at least as much "remaining" Chromium after Carbon-bonding as there was Carbon to begin with...
An effective ratio for Corrosion Resistance.
Some others, like D2 are less in Chromium (14.5%) & more in Carbon ~1.4%, so it has far less corrosion resistance: i have a D2 sword rusting away right next to me here, just from the humid Nebraska air... (it's an handmade experiment, OK? )
So 'steels'(NOT!) like Stellite, Talonite, & BDC, have a Cobalt Matrix, TONS (Well: 28%-32%) of Chromium! Corrosion-Proof? Time will tell, but it probably will not tell in our lifetimes! Now, if you complicate matters, & i hinted that we would, add a little Vanadium to "THE MIX" and the Carbon is all over that! It bonds well to Vanadium, and it bonds well to other elements. So that decreases the amount of Carbon that is bonding to the Chromium, thus freeing up them little Chromium guys to "patrol the borders" if ya know what i mean! (Cor~ Res~) So also an amount of Molybdenum "frees up" Chromium, keeping them little greedy Carbons from sucking up all that Chromium!
So, Now, lets look at INFI: REALLY look at it...
This stuff is DESIGNED TO BE AMAZING, and it is amazing: here's just part of why:
INFI has less than 1% of Carbon, about half a percent actually; & 9% Chromium. Do the Math: 0.5% Carbon bonding with 17 times its weight of Chromium = 8.5% Chromium used as Chromium Carbides, leaving a remainder of 0.5% Chromium; which is as much as the Carbon was to begin with: so, same RATIO as 440C, a known, proven "Rust-Fighter." Also, wouldn't you know it, there's Vanadium AND Molybdenum AND Nickel AND Cobalt in that thar piece of INFI Steel ! So, there's actually a LOT more free Chromium runnin' 'round the Matrix than our math-formula suggests, as Carbon atoms bond with those other elements. Oh Yeah: Not to mention NITROGEN, which changes and enhances the bonding in more ways than i currently can spew...
Enormous Toughness; flexibility, metal-memory, hardness properties retained & not subdued, wear resistance maximized, STRENGTH beyond the legendary Wootz(!) etc, etc.
THEN: there's the heat treatment: Transversion-Wave HT... But it's a Secret: Shhh... Let's just say that Heat Treat is still the most important factor, which is why INFI is the most Advanced Steel we can commercially buy...
Enuf already!"
 
Redhook,
Welcome to the Busse forum. If you have anymore questions, just ask.
These guys are great.:D
 
Originally posted by Redhook

I knew I'd come up with other questions.

1) Scale material, is Black Micarta standard? I've seen quite a few Busse's pictures with lighter almost tan color. Is that an option or is that just the camera flash?

2) On the standard models, Natural Outlaw, Battle Mistress, etc.; how tall is the blade? Do they all measure pretty much the same?
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Redhook,
1) Black Micarta is standard, however, the Micarta will change colors depending on usage. Tan Micarta has also been used. Check this thread for more info on Micarta http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=196384&highlight=micarta

2) I don't know if you've seen the comparison pics in the Pic Archive located here. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188478 It might help you better visualize the blade sizes. If I remember correctly the SH blade is approx 1 3/4" wide

Let us know if you have further questions. :D:D
 
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