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Hi all,
I'm new to this forum and I'm very fond of nice knives.
I recently lost my pride and joy, Schrade old timer model 8ot , was thinking about buying another and see the new ones are made in china, who else makes a knife comparable to my old timer was in quality
Thanks
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[jmgruber]

Inexpensive - Rosecraft has been getting great reviews. There’s a thread all about them.

Great Eastern are fantastic but will be an adventure to buy!

Good luck with the hunt!

Definitely scroll through this forum for all the info you could ever desire.

 

[jmgruber]

Thread 'RoseCraft Knives'

May 7, 2023

The Porch needs a thread about RoseCraft knives.

Their new Beaver Creek Barlow (coming soon) is very enticing:

And their Appalachian Jack is an interesting pattern that I have never seen before. Anyone ever see a pry bar on the butt of a traditional jack knife before?

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[Hickory n steel]

Case makes a great larger stockman, so does Buck( I believe the 301 is the larger of the two )

You could also just get another original 8OT off Ebay.
Case and Buck are the only 2 non Chinese options I know of for a new knife that you can actually get.
GEC may make one but good luck finding it available at a price that isn't murder.

 

[The Fort]

Hi all,
I'm new to this forum and I'm very fond of nice knives.
I recently lost my pride and joy, Schrade old timer model 8ot , was thinking about buying another and see the new ones are made in china, who else makes a knife comparable to my old timer was in quality
Thanks
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Welcome! They actually pop up on the auction site, unused, fairly often. Good luck!

 

[RickHuf]

Bear and son makes a few stockman knives. I haven't had one but I do have other patterns and they are good everyday knives made in USA.

 

[afishhunter]

You could also just get another original 8OT off Ebay.

Or one of the knife sites known for selling used knives. (sorry. I am not allowed to name them here.)

I have a couple of the offshore Old Timers. (858OT & OTB, 25OT Folding Hunter, 7OT, 885UH, and a trapper) Nothing wrong with them.
The 7CR14MoV (9CR15MoV on the OTB series) blades have a good heat treat, and hold my preferred 10° per side/20° inclusive edge.

IMHO, in one way the offshore are better --- NO SWINDEN KEYS! Taylor got rid of that "feature" in 2004, after buying everything but the machinery (and Camillus, wich didn't fold until 2007) at the bankruptcy sale. Since then they have had regular (and stronger, more reliable, and repairable) through pin construction. When Taylor sold out to BTI in 2017, BTI kept the through pins.

BTI is an American company, if you are concerned about that. They just contract the knives overseas.
Recall: post 1988 Imperial-Schrade (USA) made a lot of knives offshore after the Imperial plant in Prov. RI was lost to a fire.
All Imperial's were made in Ireland. Some Schrade (the IXL's) were made in Sheffield, England. All their "Modern" one hand opening, and Old Timer OTX knives were made in Asia (Japan, and Taiwan for the most part, I believe. There may have been some made in China, as well.)

BTI did bring some models back to US production. I think the 8OT is one of them. I forget the series name of the US made knives ("Heritage"?), and I don't know who makes them for BTI - Schrade.

 

[Hickory n steel]

BTI is an American company, if you are concerned about that. They just contract the knives overseas.

And that makes it worse, because they are an American company who supports another more than their own.

 

[Just Tom.]

who else makes a knife comparable to my old timer was in quality

Bear and son makes a few stockman knives.

I have a Bear & Son large stockman in carbon, and sadly the quality is atrocious. Having said that, I still like it a lot - size and weight are nice, and if the fit and finish were better, and the spey blade spring worked better, it would be a pretty good knife, for around $50.

 

[gentleman_edc]

Buy a used one off eBay, and avoid this forum if you want to maintain your sanity and your money.

 

[RickHuf]

I have a Bear & Son large stockman in carbon, and sadly the quality is atrocious. Having said that, I still like it a lot - size and weight are nice, and if the fit and finish were better, and the spey blade spring worked better, it would be a pretty good knife, for around $50.

That's a shame they are good looking too.

 

[Hickory n steel]

I have a Bear & Son large stockman in carbon, and sadly the quality is atrocious. Having said that, I still like it a lot - size and weight are nice, and if the fit and finish were better, and the spey blade spring worked better, it would be a pretty good knife, for around $50.

How could I forget about Bear & Sons who also happens to make a line of special Old Timer branded knives.
There was a time just a few years ago when their QC was practically nonexistent, but from what I've seen and experienced their knives are pretty decent lately.
I'm not sure if they make a larger stockman, but if they do it will likely be right on par with a real Old Timer knife.

 

[Locutus D'Borg]

Not sure what your budget is. Below is a K'roo full custom. Maker is very well regarded. Never used or carried. If at all interested, let me know and I'll give you a price way below what I paid. I was gonna list it for sale but never got around to it.
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[afishhunter]

And that makes it worse, because they are an American company who supports another more than their own.

Politics.
HOW are they "supporting another country more than their own"?
Is Cold Steel, for example, "supporting other countries more than their own" Cold Steel has never produced a knife, machete, blowgun, or anything else domestically.
Both companies have employees (and pay (higher) corp. taxes here, than they would if based offshore.)

Sadly, the US ceased being the number one in manufacturing during the Clinton Administration.

On the plus side, I hear that US steel production is on the rise. However, I fear it will never reach what it was at its peak (pollution regulations being just one reason of many.)

You don't like knives made in Asia ... at least not those made in China. That's fine. No one is forcing you to purchase them.
Aside from SOME cutlery, I cannot think of a single retail product that does not have a component made there. (clothing at a minimum: thread, buttons/snaps, and the dyes used.)

I'm out of this topic. Hate me and iggy me if you want.

 

[Just Tom.]

I'm not sure if they make a larger stockman

The large, like mine, is 3-7/8”.

from what I've seen and experienced their knives are pretty decent lately

I hope so. I would like to see them be successful, but still stay moderately priced. I’m willing to pay a premium for domestic production, but the quality needs to be at least on par with Chinese imports going for half or even a third of the price.

I wish there was still a USA budget-friendly brand, like Imperial and Colonial of yore.

EDIT:
Are we still helping the new guy find a knife?

 

[Hickory n steel]

I wish there was still a USA budget-friendly brand, like Imperial and Colonial of yore.

Colonial was rebooted, but the COO is kind of suspect on the few traditional pocket knives they have like the MIL-K-818 " demo knife " and the prices are quite high.

Case had their sub $30 Zytel series knives, and B&S has some relatively budget friendly American made knives but nothing quite like the $15 Schrade OT's from 25 years ago or those Colonial frontier series knives that were the king of of budget knives.
They weren't hollow shells, so they felt like a regular knife of standard construction but were even more economically constructed than the Schrade OT's


This B&S might be my pick, they can be found for around $45 a few places.

 

[Murphy Slaw]

Case knives are easy to find, reasonably priced and made in USA.

 

[MarbReds]

Rosecraft is made in China too so that’s not gonna solve your problem. In my opinion I’d try to find a comparable one to what you had on the big action site or the exchange here. You will have much better luck with the latter by purchasing a membership. If I’m not mistaken there is something like a “Stockman Sunday” thread here in this sub forum that should provide you with lots of value while seeing what you like.

 

[AZGabe]

Buy a used one off eBay, and avoid this forum if you want to maintain your sanity and your money.

First off, welcome to the forum.

Second, this is solid advice. Like you, I came with a single question. Now I'm in too deep to save.

 

[CVamberbonehead]

Welcome! I would find an old knife just like you had on eBay. Or I’d look at the heritage series old timer knives being made now.