New to Hatchets

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Love big knives but have been thinking about getting into axes and hatchets. Had a dead tree in the yard so went and bought a cheap fiberglass full size axe and chopped it down. then chopped the stump into almost nothing. Then built a fire and finished off the stump. Had a blast. but I know nothing about who makes a good hatchet for backpacking and camping. Can anyone give me a idea of where to start looking. would prob be strapped to my hiking backpack.
 
Can anyone give me a idea of where to start looking.

If you are handy with a file and some basic tools you could start looking at garage/estate sales, flea markets, junk shops, antique stores, auction websites, etc. and pick yourself up a quality old hatchet for under 20 bucks. Do your homework first though and search through some of the threads about hatchets and educate yourself about what to look for.
 
I use an old C. Hammond hatchet rigger pattern around the house and also carry the same pattern but plumb on my tractor. Very useful.
 
I would suggest keeping in mind that a hatchet is a very different tool than an axe. They have about as much in common as a knife and a long blade.

In my opinion, for camping, a small axe is pure fun but a hatchet is almost a chore. Almost.
 
Would you be using your camping hatchet primarily for gathering and processing wood or for bushcraft work? Is a poll important to you? Does the poll need to be hardened (will you be driving metal spikes with it)?

Backpacking vs. camping are different uses because of the weight issue. A backpacking is hatchet is tough to choose. Too light and it's worthless. Too heavy and it's, well, too heavy!

In general the vintage hatchets were made with better steel than the stuff you find in hardware stores today. And old scout hatchet is a good place to start. A polished rounded poll can be helpful for skinning if you're a hunter. A claw can be useful if you like to hang things on nails around camp. Convex cheeks do a better job of splitting. Thin flat cheeks are easier to carve with, but very sharp convex cheeks will do fine.

There are so many factors to balance.
 
It depends on what type of backpacking you are going to do. Google oldjimbo . He has info on modifying some hatchets for the woods. Imo, the hatchet is best for splitting wood.
 
Backpacking? Not even a hatchet, the head is generally too heavy and the handle too short. Hatchets are a lot more like hammers, and often have a hammer head on them. They are a construction tool, the wood splitting is almost secondary to the hammer head.

What a backpacker used in the day of living "in" the land - with woodsmanship a primary skill set - was a lot more like a tomahawk. Hawks have even lighter heads than hatchets because they must be carried, all the time. They are part of the total load borne daily, an "edc" item part of a poke, dried trail food, clasp knife, flint and striker, etc. The longer handle is what gives it more power - the head has a longer sweep and is levered from the hand further than a hatchet, delivering more impact force than one used with a hatchet length handle. It makes up for the lighter head, to provide as much work. Without overworking the one who has to carry it.

What can't be expected is to cut down trees or split wood with it - but that isn't camp work, it's clearing ground or putting up firewood for the winter. The chores get confused because we don't actually hike for weeks in the wilderness. Camping on foot is something much different. Deadwood is gathered, and dry is preferred, not wet fresh cut. Time is of the essence, too - stopping an hour before nightfall is almost too late, and you can't be pressured to bring down a tree and split it up. Camp was chosen for it's supply of water, and what firewood already dry and available is right there.

Given that task list, the use of a hawk fits the requirements - if you have to carry it in, and where you can use it with the existing deadwood. More than that becomes an expeditionary situation with pack animals, and if those are handy, an axe and hatchet to build with preferred.

That's why we saw our North American pioneers take to the hawk as an individual tool, reserving the axe and hatchet for larger groups or bigger projects. It's not that some don't use them today, what has happened is the use of the hawk as a weapon has overshadowed it's more functional tool abilities and we have cast it aside for sociological reasons.

We are doing the exact same thing with the folding pocket knife - what was commonly carried by children and men just 50 years ago is now taboo in our schools, offices, and most jobs. It's being demonized by those who no longer understand responsibility.

Any way, off the soap box, you might consider a hawk instead of hatchet, in either regard, if you camp or hike outdoors, it's better to have one when you need it, than need one and don't have it.
 
Well now, hatchets come in all sizes and shapes. Many are not construction tools.
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These are not construction tools. Handles very from 12" to 19" and most heads are around 1 lb but can be less or over 2 lbs.
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These are for building things or construction tools. Night and day.
 
I'm partial to a 2.5 pound DB cruiser axe on a 28" haft. If you are going to pack an axe, you might as well carry something that will do anything you might need it to do. Hatchets aren't too bad for kindling, but not much else. Let us know what you decide on.
 
If you carry something that can do anything you need it to do, you wind up driving a semi tractor trailer with a house in tow.

What do you carry when all you can do is carry a pack? Garry3 has some interesting photos - note the tomahawk was left out, the one tool that an outdoorsman carried in woodland cultures.

Our modern culture is reviving the tomahawk, and it's being used by our military, but not necessarily as a weapon. It's being used as a tool, in third world countries and in the wilderness, too. The military hasn't revived the hatchet - they have always been around - even issued in pioneer tool boxes. But not individually, to a single soldier. That's the difference - the lighter head, smaller bit, and longer handle is the refined tool that just one user needs for wood craft.

Does one man in the wilderness need a 28" 3 pound axe to get firewood or forage for game living off the land? An axe is a large carpentry tool for building. As I pointed out, chopping down trees and attempting to burn wet wood isn't an efficient way to spend a day travelling on foot. You likely don't make it to a destination.

Carry a hawk on a pack with a rifle or bow in hand, and you not only move further, but more comfortably, faster, and you only gather the wood you need for that nights fire, and quickly.

Those who have spent more than a night in the woods in military training, overland, for weeks, understand this. The axe and hatchet are great when a vehicle carries it, but when all you have to rely on is what you yourself can carry, you don't accept tools that are oversized, weighty, or bulky. You pick the ones with the most efficiency you can get from the designs you have available.

Note also the hawks (not pictured, ) which are used outdoors often have another part to their design (also not pictured.) A historical search of what peoples who actually lived in primitive conditions will show those features. But since others are now trying to set boundaries on what someone can use by only picturing their politically correct notions, it's probably time to bow out and let them think they have won.

You don't find tools for primitive conditions in modern hardware stores. They only sell tools for civilized use.
 
tirod3, no losers here just an exchange of knowledge. I have no hawks pictured because I own none. But I would like to. I completely get what you are saying about not carrying more than necessary. I am not a bushcrafter and I have spent plenty of time outdoors. Back packing hunting ect. As strange as it may seem I have never found the need to carry a hatchet or an axe. If I am camping there might be a hatchet handy, but it most likely won't get used. I have better things to do than chop wood for a fire.
 
Tirod3

I understand the weight issue. Ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain. You have to decide what tools you need based on the trip you intend to take. I stick by my cruiser axe experience.
 
Hmmmmm well I think a hatchet has a classic look and feel to it. I m not looking to use a harchet for a black ops bug out bag deal. just more of something else to use and have fun with. hopefully give a son a more "worldly?" up bringing. Weight is no big deal when car camping but backpacking can be a different story. Not sure why I haven't looked into a hawk. Now would carrying a hawk be equal to let's say a BK 9?
 
I like hatchets and carry one almost every day when I am doing forestry field work. Vintage hatchets are the way to go like those fine ones in Garry3's first picture. I also have one in my truck. When camping I use it for making pegs for my tent or tarp as well as kindling. For larger firewood I like a collapsible bow saw. I don't own a hawk but have handled and tried out a few and they aren't for me. Too light imo so they are more inefficient, especially in hardwoods. A full size axe will process more wood faster than a hatchet. A hatchet faster than a hawk. It's the head weight tradeoff.
 
Well now, hatchets come in all sizes and shapes. Many are not construction tools.
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These are not construction tools. Handles very from 12" to 19" and most heads are around 1 lb but can be less or over 2 lbs.
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These are for building things or construction tools. Night and day.
I spy 2 shingle hammers and a drywall hammer in the second shot. The others were for lathe and dealing with rough-sawn studs, lintels and joists in the pre-power tool days. I guess anything with a short handle and a blade qualifies as a hatchet for some folks. Whatever on earth you'd do in the bush with a drywall hammer escapes me. Dimple a racoon between the eyes and then pull out it's eye teeth?
Thanks for the nicely laid out photo evidence of short handled bladed tools.
All hatchets to me are novelties that make it appear you are a woodsman that can cut and chop firewood. Northern trappers, however, have always had use for hatchets because they need to cut brush and limbs for preparing runways and traps, chopping holes in the ice, pounding stakes, opening bait cans, making small fires for tea or warming lunch, severing leg bones and knocking the occasional not-quite-dead critter over the head.
 
300six,That is a half hatchet and a riggers axe(hatchet). They are all hatchets to me, even the dry wall hammer.
I posted it to make the distinction between hatchets meant for construction and those that are not.
I ran a trap line when I was a teenager, a riggers axe was what I carried.
 
Does one man in the wilderness need a 28" 3 pound axe to get firewood or forage for game living off the land? An axe is a large carpentry tool for building. As I pointed out, chopping down trees and attempting to burn wet wood isn't an efficient way to spend a day travelling on foot. You likely don't make it to a destination.

Carry a hawk on a pack with a rifle or bow in hand, and you not only move further, but more comfortably, faster, and you only gather the wood you need for that nights fire, and quickly.

Note also the hawks (not pictured, ) which are used outdoors often have another part to their design (also not pictured.) A historical search of what peoples who actually lived in primitive conditions will show those features. But since others are now trying to set boundaries on what someone can use by only picturing their politically correct notions, it's probably time to bow out and let them think they have won.

You don't fin/d tools for primitive conditions in modern hardware stores. They only sell tools for civilized use.

Modern tomahawks aren't anything like tools primitive people used. It looks like most range in weight from 19 oz to over 36 oz. Still pretty heavy for long distance backpacking. I agree that on solo, multi-day trips into the wilderness, a hawk makes sense for covering ground. A good sharp knife makes even more sense. For shorter family trips, some kind of axe also makes sense.

I like halfaxe's comment about a bow saw. Definitely the lightest option. I always pack according to what I expect to find on the trip. We did some 15 milers with nothing more than a Kershaw scallion this spring. The trips were in Utah in areas you can't have a fire. In N. Idaho, it's nice to have a tool that will do it all.
 
A good choice. Some of the new folding saws are quite respectable, too. I'm thinking about the Silkys and the Tajimas.

All you really need is a bow saw BLADE and some paracord. It seems pretty easy to fabricate a bow saw in the woods, using your knife.
 
Yeah, or you could pull the folder out of your pocket and start cutting firewood. But making your own bow saw is a good skill to practice.
 
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