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Lorien

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I like used knives. What can I say? There's something about battle scars which speaks to me, when it comes to tools.

There are lots of 'previously owned' knives out there which are pristine, and which carry a price tag reflecting their 'like new' condition. However, if I can get a handmade knife for under 200 bucks, which has proven itself through use, then I much prefer that, over buying a production knife.

I imagine that there are others, like me, out there who like a great deal on a custom knife and don't mind a bit of 'character'.

So here's the first of hopefully many photos of used and abused custom knives, which were hopefully smoking good deals for those who stumbled across them:).
 

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This particular thread of yours is a very good one Lorien.

The approach of choosing well used custom knives over a new production model is one that I would hope other knife users and collectors adopt. It is a refreshing attitude.

Good luck on locating your new "finds".

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
I'll second that in a Big way! Congrats!

Searching and finding deals is a Lot of Fun!!!

And very satisfying. And frustrating!

I missed a Loveless Dropped hunter in Stag at a local gun show a few years ago. I must have passed right by it. Turns out it was in a box with junk. Price? It sold for 125.00--Grrrrrr!!!

You won't believe who bought it! Jim Merritt ( R.W. Loveless's partner) was home visiting relatives and found it. Like he needs a Loveless!!! Double Grrrrrr!!!

Mike
 
Makes good sense to me - how about a little more info on the knife?

Roger
 
Really good point .. My problem always is when I get a new pristine knife I have a hard time really putting it to work . On the other hand if I get something already showing use I have no problem using it and in the end enjoying it more than some of my non users..
 
Here's the story behind the knife, from the description provided by the seller;


"This is a frontier style ball handle trade knife from Robert Appleby. Here's the story with this knife....It has been used and carried, and used somewhat abused. I first lent it to some friends who had bought a small house in upstate NY to use. I thought they were going to use it for camping/woodwork/outdoors stuff. They ended up using it to fix the house with, cutting wallboard. Then they did yardwork with it clearing vines from the ground, fence, and trees. Then they played with it by using it as a throwing knife against a tree. They got it to stick in some throws, but mostly they just hit the tree wrong. During the many bad impacts against the tree they managed to break off a small part of the tip and crack the handle in two places (see last photo). When I heard about that I told them to stop and just use the knife for cutting and chopping chores.

I got it back after 6 months and was surprised that the damage wasn't as bad as it sounded. My friends said they liked the knife a lot and asked for Robert's info. Along with the mentioned handle cracks and broken tip there was a small fold in the blade where they had tried to cut through a metal wallboard screw. And of course lots of scratches and blemishes of the blade flats. I superglued the cracks in the handle, as well as coating the handle in polyurethane to help prevent the crack going further. I sharpened out the tip and fold in the blade. I then used it in some yard work at a friend's house in Brooklyn. Since then it's been in my bug-out bag as the go to knife since I can be assured of its performance.

Needless to say, this is a user grade knife. But it's a great user.

Specs: 6.25" from tip to scales. 11" overall. Steel is forged 0-1. Thickness at tang is 3/16", but it tapers toward the tip so from in front of the ricasso it's about 5/32" thick. Curly maple slab handle with decorative along the perimeter.

Sheath is from the maker. I must say though, I can't quite figure the sheath out. It uses a variation of the frog design, but the belt loop is in the wrong place I think. The way it is the only way I can get it on a belt is if I wear it as a left handed cross-draw behind the back, or a right handed front cross-draw but the blade would face up when drawn. So I never used the sheath on my belt. I just carried it with sheath in hand or in a pack."


Ok, and this is what I think about custom knives, so far, for me;
I come across previously owned custom knives that I like, because they appeal to my sense of practicality or whatever it is. I have probably half a dozen of them so far, none of which I would be afraid to use, and all of which I have used. Most of the knives I have are made for hacking through the bush. Which is something I love to do. A great knife, like a great bike, enhances that experience.

I buy knives which enhance my life in some way, and usually that enhancement's corollary is practicality and usage. Not so much handling and admiring, although I submit that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
I'm just not much of a collector, and get enjoyment out of using the things I invest my hard earned money in. I enjoy it all the more, knowing that the knife has been put through the paces, and come out on top.
:)
 
We be on the same page, Joe.

A good object lesson is a dandy, little crown-handled hunter by Ray Richard, which I fully intended to be my go-to knife on this year's whitetail hunt. In the last second I opted for my geezer Randall, which knows far more game over its 38 year life than I can remember. I'll baptize the new blade in blood in 2009 for sure; just need more ogle/fondle time before bidding its gleaming hamon adios. Violating the chastity of a virgin knife is almost as disagreeable as surrendering my baby daughter to her 200 lb., rutting orangutan.

ken
 
I have one pre-owned custom that I use. Purchasing pre-owned customs as users, instead of production knives, is a very good way to go.
 
Not being infected by the collector's bug, or having that
aggressive genetic mutation all of us collectors have in every
cell of our body - and being interested in custom knives in
order to USE THEM when needed, is truly refreshing, Lorien.

I think it would be nice meeting you at the BLADE Show... :)

All the best,
David Darom (ddd)
 
yeah, David, that would be nice!
Unless Santa dumps a bunch of money down the chimney, and there's no fire going, I won't be going to the Show.:(
 
yeah, David, that would be nice!
Unless Santa dumps a bunch of money down the chimney, and there's no fire going, I won't be going to the Show.:(

Here in Israel, Lorien, I can't get hold of this Santa guy's
phone number. Do you have it so that I can tell him where
you live?

Whatever, I hope you get lucky by the end of the month..... :)

All the best,
David Darom (ddd)
 
David, I'm married. If I get lucky by the end of the month, I'll be amazed!:D
I'll work on getting you that phone number:)
 
David, I'm married. If I get lucky by the end of the month, I'll be amazed!:D
I'll work on getting you that phone number:)

Good things have been known to happen even to married guys.....

And talking about being married, I can offer you to share my suite
(all rooms around that area are suites) without affecting your
married status in any way..... :)


All the best,
David
 
If something miraculous happens, David, I will certainly take you up on that offer.
Thank you very much!
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You guys are getting me all crazy about the upcoming blade already. I hope I can make it also! Good luck lorien, lets hope miracles happen.
 
I also like knives that have "A little history rubbed into them" I have several great knives that show signs of wear and use and wouldn't even attempt to clean them up. I especially love the rare piece that has been used but lovingly cared for respected and appreciated by the owner . Every scratch and mark has a story to tell . I have collected these kinds of knives since childhood. I personally have a hard time with abused knives though,It kinda hurts to see a great knife that has been beat to hell and not respected for the work,love and craftsmanship that went into it.
 
Along the lines of what ken said, I hate to see knives used as pry bars and screw drivers.

One thing that bugs me about myself and my collecting habits is that I am sometimes afraid to handle knives because I am afraid of tarnishing the surface. Though it probably doesn't happen nearly as easily as this I still can't help being obsessive about it. I do get great joy out of the knives I choose to use. As time goes on I find myself lightening up a bit.
 
dude! They're made from steel! Tarnish them dammit, they'll clean up just fine:D

It's good to appreciate your knives on a physical level, in addition to a cerebral one. Some knives, well if they're REALLY special and delicate, (or impractical) should be protected and left unused. But a finely crafted tool is still a tool first and foremost. And the ultimate appreciation for such a device is brought on during physical interaction.

Sometimes knives are a purely cerebral experience- sitting around, thinking about a potential design, a long awaited knife on its way to you or modifying one to perform better, whatever. That's all good. But in the end, a knife is a human artifact which most of the time exists for physical reasons.

Do yourself a favor and mar the perfect finish on one of your favorite 'non art' custom knives. They can always be cleaned back up if you need to sell them someday. Or not, in which case you could sell them to a guy like me who likes used knives better than paying full price:D;)
 
Well Lorien you already know how much I like that Appleby of yours...:D (trade it to me... trade me for it... I have the knife you want... Ha Ha Ha)

But back to the original idea of this thread, here are my 2 current favorites. Both users and both customs from local makers. First up is a little hunter I got at the local gun show a month back. All I know is that the maker is Marty Beets from William's Lake,BC. Steel is probably O1. The handle was labelled as "doe antler" which is kinda unusual. The handle is shaped for right handed use and just melts into your hand, your right hand that is. In the left it's somewhat awkward feeling.

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This other one is a big camp knife that is made by "Conan" up island a few hours in Campbell River. I just got it made recently and it's a monster of a cutter. 1095 steel taken from a logging truck leaf spring. 9 1/2" blade, full convex edge up to about 5/16" thick at the spine. Good weight but a fast knife. Etched and blued wrought iron fittings and Cypress burl handle.
This is truly a user and has already taken a few alders.
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another cool thing about used custom knives, is that they are fun to modify. There are lots of things to learn about even something as simple as a knife.
It's good fun to refinish a knife, and come out with something way nicer than what you got.
Some of you might remember that savage Lamey chopper I posted pics of awhile back. Well, I've been using it hard, but I've also been gradually finishing the blade with higher and higher grit paper. she's almost polished, and once she's etched again, her hamon will be something else!
It's hard to hurt a knife!

Ps. Stuart, that Appleby is looking better and better all the time! It takes one hell of an edge to boot!
 
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