New to this site and knife. Questions about which knives to get next.

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Hi,
This is my first post. Its a long one, but I appreciate all responses.

A. Need advice about tool usage.
B. Need advice about bluing
c. Need advice about martial arts and the Khukuri

About me:

I am planning to build a house and the brush at my housing spot is in the way.
I needed a tool for clearing some thumb sized to wrist sized trees on my land and Ang Khola 16.5 inch was an obvious choice and the check is in the mail. The stuff that neither a chain saw or a heavy wheeled weed trimmer will help with.

Now I have several other uses and I am considering getting another 1 or 2 Khukuris. I am a short stocky 31 yr old man who doesn't get too much exercise so efficient tools like this will save me some grief. I am 5" 8" with a long torso and short arms and legs. I have small hands with thick fingers and cannot fit my hand around most large caliber handguns. I have a lot of upper body strength but not too much stamina ( this will get better)


A. Tool usage:
1. I need to clear A LOT of kudzu and trim my grape vines.
2. I have a lot of 2 inch thick boxwoods(very soft wood with a sticky sap) and river cane(as thick as your thumb) to cut.
3. I need to clear a path through very thick blackberry briars and ragweeds.
4. I plan to carry the AK for the heavy stuff, but since it is heavier and has a shorter reach I will tire fast and have to bend over a lot, this seems inefficient.

- So I need a somewhat lightweight knife that will be able to have a long reach and is tough as nails. I would like to have something that will not tire me too much with a full 8 hours of swinging. ( I have a lot of weeds and kudzu in the way) I break or dull most tools I have pretty quicly, its not through carelessness, but through hard use.

I have read the entire site twice, the FAQ 3 times and read a lot of the posts on this board first. But I still cannot make up my mind which length and which model to get. It seems like the Sirupati is a good one but due to the length I might need I am wondering if a Kobra would be better since I need to keep from passing out of exhaustion.

B. Blueing

I have done cold blueing before when I bought a .50 cal black powder rifle kit and it was pretty easy. But that is not my biggest concern.

1. I will be cutting through a lot of sappy weeds and small trees. I expect the ragweeds and boxwoods will cause the most staining. I would rather keep these tools in tip top shape and keep them looking good.
2. My biggest concern is rust and staining. I think that blueing will protect the metal from the inevitable corrosion. I will also buy museum wax which I will apply each time I am done with work and a thorough cleaning with (I think) diswashing soap.
3. Another concern is that blueing will affect the long term value of these knives. From what I have read its crafted by experts you will not find in this country. So that means these items will be very valuable for a long time due to their unique creation. I don't yet have children, but when I do I would like this to be an heirloom.

C. Martial arts.

As a coincidence I have been interested in training for martial arts for an education and for physical fitness and flexibility training.

- Are there any specific martial arts discilines which train sword/knife usage of a blade of this nature. I will be swinging it a lot so I will be most comfortable with this style of knife/sword.
- second part is for my build and size, what length kukuri and style would probably be better for me?

I will only be able to make a couple more purchases in the next year due to budgeting, but I WILL have a Kothimoda, and a Hanuman AK before 3 years have passed. I just love the fact that purchasing these knives will support the families and possibly continue the tradition of excellence in Nepal.
 
Welcome to the cantina, Apa6. I'm sure some of the more knowledgeable forumites will address your questions better than I can. IMO I think you may need a kobra. Good luck.
 
Welcome! Good questions.

Another good Khurk for the type of work that you are going to do would be a 18" or 20" Sirupati. Heavy enough for major cutting but light enough that after a while you can swing for londg periods of time.The best thing to do as far as finding out about blueing is to use the search feature at the bottom of the page. Search for blueing, etching, maybe vinager. That will give you more info then I can easily type intoi this reply;) . As far as Martial arts go, you could check into Bando, Ecscrima, or Kali. Those all have major stick/knife/short sword skills. What part of the country are you in maybe someone can give you a better idea on where to look. Hope this helps. Mark
 
For what it is worth, my opinions:

Don't worry about corrosion if you are going to maintain the blade the way you describe. Bluing or anything else will just be one more thing; you will be keeping it rust free with your maintenance. The khuks are made to be used hard. Do so.

If I had 8 hours of vines, kudzu, and boxwoods to clear...AND I was building a house on the site, I'd have the contractor bulldoze the path and use the khuk to maintain it. It gets old, fast. Maybe a brush-buster? Something big, mechanical and quick anyway.

Welcome to the Cantina.
 
I was not all that clear about the site. The site itself does not have Kudzu and ragweed, my current back yard does. I wanted to clear the site for planning more than actual building. Its family property and I won't be able to build on it for several more years, but I can start planing how much house I can fit into the area.
 
Apa, I'm about 6 years older and 2" taller but we have similer builds. Something in an 18 - 22" Khukuri sounds about right, anything longer would get tied up alot. The Kobra and Sirupati would be good choices but look at the Gelbu Special too. The fullers on the GS will keep the weight down and make it a strong knife as well.
You should convex any knife you get to make the edge last longer.
 
Given weight and length concerns, I'd go with a Gelbu. Pretty skinny handle, too. A sirupati would be good for heavier stuff (several inches). Kobra would handle vines and green wood well, but a big kobra isn't a chopper - stay away from heavy seasoned logs.

I wouldn't worry too much about reducing the value. Part of the value of old, handmade tools is that they were used, cared for, and passed on.

Sounds like you've got everything in order! Welcome to the Cantina!
 
After the responses so far
I am considering the 20"-25" Kobra, a 20" Sirupati, and a 21" Gelbu.

The web site does not list the weight of the Gelbu. As I mentioned I will use my newly ordered 16.5" AK for anything thicker than an inch. I wanted to get the swing blade effect of mowing down a wide swath of briars, kudzu and weeds. Especially with the briars I want as long of a reach as my frame can handle without being awkward.
 
I like the 15" AK or BAS for most tasks. I find that the handles are of smaller diameter than the longer blades. Also I can use the smaller knife for longer periods of time without too much fatige. For larger pieces of wood I'd go for a larger, heavier blade.

Dunno. I'm also lazy and don't like to carry too much weight.
 
(All right, you guys, don't pounce too hard, please)

Apa6, if you are going to be cutting weeds and vines close to the ground and you have room to swing, I would highly recommend a scythe. I have one with an aluminum snath (handle) and 30" blade (at least) that is very lightweight. My backyard (about 1/2 acre) is very undeveloped/natural (all right: full of weeds!) and several times a year I clear it off with the scythe. Good exercise, too.

Takes a little practice not to bury the tip into the ground, but it makes real short work of anything growing in my yard. IT's not as romantic as a khuk, but certainly gets the job done.
 
Aardvark

How dare you suggest anything other then an HI Khurk!!!!!!;)
Now maybe if you put a 20"or 25" AK blade on a scythe handle...then you might be in business. :D
 
Originally posted by Mark Nelson
... As far as Martial arts go, you could check into Bando, Ecscrima, or Kali. Those all have major stick/knife/short sword skills. What part of the country are you in maybe someone can give you a better idea on where to look. Hope this helps. Mark

I live in the Marietta/Dallas area. Metro Atlanta.


I have a scythe, but its one of the really old ones with the thin blade and its too tall for me. I would prefer to have a kukuri since it will mosty likely outlast something I can get at Home Depot and has a lot more cutting power.

I have a couple weeks to make up my mind. So keep posting ideas, its helping me make up my mind a good deal already. How tough is the Kobra??? Is it something I would only use for martial arts or does it have some hope for high and low hanging kudzu? My back yard literally looks like a jungle covered in Kudzu. Drive out of Marietts GA and the semi-rural areas are infested with kudzu worse than the fire ants.
 
Apa6

I live in Roswell. Send me a email and maybe I could bring over a few Khurks for you to test out. I am always looking for the chance to swing a Khurk for a while. My yard is a bit bare at this point. Here is what I have
20" Sirupati
25" Kobra
AK Bowie
18" AK
20" AK
20" villager AK
21" Chitlangi
12" AK villager
20" Kobra
and soon a 25" Ak

Yes everyone that is a terrible case of HIKV ( Himalayan Imports Khurk Virus). Let me know if you are interested.
 
This summer I chopped my way through a mess similar to what you describe with a 21" Gelbu Special. It was the site of a tornado five years ago and dead, dry red and whitepine were down like jackstraws and piled on top of each other. The GS did a super job of knocking enough of a hole in it to get through.

Gelbus range from 24 oz. to 32 oz. Mine is 32 oz. and 21" even, and I like it for heavy brush. It isn't as nose heavy as an AK, and therefore a bit more controllable on the swing. The handle is also long enough to use two hands, and sometimes two are necessary. You can whale away with it as hard as you want and the blade and handle will hold up with no problem.

For thicker stuff that must be cut close to the ground, check out the "Forester Heavy Duty Brush Cutter" at www.benmeadows.com I have one that is 60 years old with the 34" handles, and it will snip off a tree with a 3" base like a fingernail clipper - hardly any exertion at all. I also use this for cutting up piles of dead firewood (3" round) for the stove in my tent - no splitting required.
 
Apa welcome to the Psycho Ward, otherwise known as the Cantina. Not only are we all a bunch of aliens, we're also crazy.;) :D

I'm 63 and 64 isn't far off now and being in ill health for a length of time I know about lack of stamina.
I went to my sister's place a while back to get me a hickory sapling for my BBQ Smoker. I used a 20"+ Ganga Ram Special on it and I was pooped out when I got done, besides it was a dayumed hot day and now it was 39* here this morning!:rolleyes:
Only in Oklahoma!!!!

Anyway since you're lacking a bit in stamina it might be better if you started out with an 18" Sirupati and work up to the 21" Gelbu Special.
You could even start with an 18" Gelbu for that matter as both are good thin bladed cutters.
And by all means like Red said, "Put a convex edge on it!!!!"
 
Originally posted by Yvsa
Apa welcome to the Psycho Ward, otherwise known as the Cantina. Not only are we all a bunch of aliens, we're also crazy.;) :D

This seems like an affordable hobby and much less insane than my other hobby... mechanical watch collecting. That one will drive you mad.

I see a pattern forming here with everyone's suggestions. Mark was kind enough to offer to let me see his collection.


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For martial arts... I have decided to train in T'ai Chi Ch'uan since its later stages include staff and sword skills. Plus its an internal skill which fits my non-agressive personality and I hope it helps me get a lot healthier.
 
We have similar body types. I think it's real hard to beat the 18" Gelbu Special or 18" Sirupati. I have a 20" Kobra, and don't like the way it balances, but my 13 yr old daughter loves it.

Don
 
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