New to wilderness survival. Help!

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Hey guys. I am new To wildernes survival. I have always been a woodsman of sorts. Fishing, hunting, camping, hiking, and boating have always been some of my favorite pastimes. But I have always been under the assumption that i was prepared by taking everything i needed into the woods with me. (lighters, matches, hatchet, sleeping bag, tent, cooler, lantern,) But the older I get I am realizing that being prepared means having the knowledge and skills to make it without all those "comforts" available. AM I RIGHT GUYS? Well I thought this would be a great place to get started. So my first big question is WHERE DO I START? What should I learn first? I know this is a great forum and there are some very knoledgable guys on here eager to help educate. That's why I started here. Thanks guys!
 
I would recommend you acquire enough gear for a basic survival kit and learn the skills necessary to use each item to its utmost potential. You may also want to read a book or two on the subject, "98.6 Degrees; The Art of Keeping Your Ass Alive" by Cody Lundin is pretty much universally held in high regard by the guys on this board, and is an enjoyable read. Good luck and welcome aboard.
 
Welcome to the wilderness! :D

The best place to start ... read and ask us anything. OK, we have some stickies, which I just consolidated in this thread: Sticky: How To - Consolidating stickies in The MONSTER STICKY Thread.

Especially check out the topics in this section: THE INFORMATION

The W&SS BOOKLIST STICKY
Calendar of W&SS Gatherings and Events

The OLD CLOSED Post Your Campsite/gear/knife/hiking/anything Outdoorsy Pic Thread!
The NEW Post Your Campsite/gear/knife/hiking/anything Outdoorsy Pic Thread!

Search BF with Google, Links, Online Survival Videos, and Wilderness Wiki Merged Here​
 
You could also get some videos (don't ask which) or watch some on youtube to get you started. For me, seeing it done helps me more than reading about it although YMMV.

Hope that helps some and I wish you well.
 
Welcome to W&SS, rogerschrisj!

There are different schools of thought on this, and the folks around here are incredibly knowledgeable, so I'm sure you will find some advice that fits with your own approach to wilderness & survival skills.

For me, the objective is to enjoy a safe, responsible outing, with the knowledge that I can still handle myself reasonably well should the situation arise. I would differentiate this from an approach that is geared towards primitive living, which is more about making do with your skills and knowledge of the natural resources around you.

So, I still carry a good PSK, and I practice with it / make use of it regularly. I also practice the skills that I feel are most applicable to my outings - navigation (with or without map and compass) is a big one, as is building quick, hot-burning and sustainable fires. Shelter-making is also important, particularly in cold / wet conditions. I feel that I am competent in these areas, and it gives me a degree of confidence in the woods.

I would definitely emphasize these skills - navigation, fire-making, and shelter-making - as being some of the most important ones to practice. Carrying a fire steel / matches makes good sense, but knowing that you can produce an ember from a bow drill should the need arise is comforting.

All the best,

- Mike
 
Best place to start?
I say by learning the basic rules. Start with learning the Rules of Three, the ways you lose heat and how to "build" a fire. Then learn the ways to sterilize water, as well as some various ways to procure water. Then learn atleast three shelter types. After that learn how to procure food. Once you've learned that, you can expand on everything and build your knowledge base.

I'll get you started with a few:

Rules of Three:

Three minutes without air (basically means assess for injuries, make sure all shelters have a means of air--don't seal yourself up.

Three hours without shelter (exposure to the elements can kill you in three hours)

Three days without water (you can die of thirst in as little as three days)

Three weeks without food (you can survive three weeks without food. It won't be pleasant, but it can be done.)

Three months without hope (once you give up hope, it's only a matter of time)

The Rules of Three basically gives you a list of priorities: Make sure you aren't injured, get protection from the elements, keep from dehydrating, then worry about food, never give up hope.

Heat loss (learned these from a few places. Ron Hood over at Hood's Woods calls them the five heat loss mechanisms):

Conduction, convection, radiation, respiration, perspiration.

Conduction: when heat is leeched from a warm object by a cooler object through direct contact.

Convection: heatloss by air movement.

Radiation: you lose heat as it radiates away from your body.

Respiration: you breath out warm air and breath in cool air.

Perspiration: sweat/moisture.

Building a fire: learn the fire triangle- oxygen, fuel, heat. And always remember: tinder, kindling and fuel. Tinder is the small stuff that lights easily, kindling is twigs and slightly larger stuff that build the flame from the tinder. Fuel is the bigger stuff that you lay on after you get a good kindling fire.

there are few good sites such as survivalblog.com; videos are all over Youtube, and Hoods Woods has a great DVD collection.

The old Army Ranger survival handbook is good.
Cody Lundin's "98.6*: the art of keeping your ass alive" is a good one.


Hope that helps!!
 
I have only been on this forum for a short time and am by no means a survival expert. I'm still learning all the time.

As someone trying to learn more, I would second Esav's comments about stickys, readings, and posting specific questions. I personally have found the folks here on WSS to be very open, knowledgeable, and helpful, especially about specific techniques that work for them.

I have found that for me, reading about how to do something (I like Bushcraft by Mors Kochanski as a basic background text), trying it and seeing how other people do it (in person, via youtube, or via threads on WSS and other forums), then practicing on my own seems to be the best method. YMMV.

When I hit a snag or I can't get something to work right, I ask about it specifically, and that helps me. For example, I remarked in a post about how I could never get those survival wire saws to work, and a forum member showed me what I should have been doing, as opposed to what I actually had tried and failed with myself.

In return, I try and post about topics that I have knowledge in.


Anyway, welcome and enjoy! It's a process. The more I learn, the more I know how much I don't know...
 
I think a lot of it is just getting back to the basics and actually doing a little dirt time. Survival is mostly attitude; skills will really increase you chances and some items will make it easier.

I did a post some time back and others have done the same; the "10 Essentials". Most books and outdoors stores have similar lists you can google. I tend to think it's mostly the mindset of being prepared and making it a habbit to understand hour climate, environment and take a moment to check the forecast before venturing out. As you begin to refresh on the basics of shelter, fire, insulation, navigataion, etc., you can expand to more advanced first aid and even practice your own scenarios of how to start a fire one-handed to simulate a broken arm. My son and I are looking for some local "survival" schools to take together; you're never to old to learn! I'm active army, so moving around makes it difficult to really get a grasp on edible and useable flora...something I want to work on this next year.

There are plenty of old posts to search for and if you have question, the members her are more than willing to assist in pointing you in the right direction. Welcome aboard!

ROCK6
 
Welcome aboard. Learning skills is great, though to tell the truth, I'm getting a little too old to want to sleep in debris huts anymore. Still, getting to the mindset of camping to bring a mini-home with you to understanding how to live without all that stuff is a great first step. Consider the basics: first aid, shelter, fire, water, food, signalling/navigation. Pick a category and start to learn.

For first aid, there are great classes available like the Wilderness First Aid programs that are really worth the price and effort and can come in handy for all types of situations.

Fire, well there are million and one things to learn here that most people stuck on bic lighters and zippo firestarter tabs just don't stop to consider. Start with learning to use a firesteel and go from there.

Shelter. Sure most of us have tent camped. Have you tarp camped? Hammock camped? Tarp camping introduces you to many shelter building concepts without having to wriggle with the worms in a debris hut. Maybe you'll go onto the huts later.

Water. All kinds of gadgets available for purifying and filtering water. First focus on how to find it, then focus on how to make it potable. Gotta pot? Try boiling it after a makeshift cloth filter. Don't gotta pot, carve out a bowl in a stump, or use a natural depression in rock, fill it with water, then drop in heat stones (avoid river stones) into the water to bring it to boil. Or you can use one of those steri pens or chlorine tabs and save yourself the trouble.

Food - learn a few traps and be able to make snares out of paracord, bootlaces or brass snare wire that doubles as the bale for your little hobo pot. Look at those plants around and begin to open your eyes to the world of wild edibles. Make a rabbit stick and throw it at your neighbors cat (maybe not). Try catching some pan fish with just the basics of a little bit fishing line and some hooks that you might keep in your kit.

Navigation. Learn a few stars, including being able to identify the north style. Learn how to make a basic sundial and use the sun's movements to determine east/west (very simple). Consider taking a compass navigation course. Learn how to read a topographic map. This doesn't mean you have to throw the GPS out, but try just marking your camp position then shut the unit off and stow away. Use the map and compass for the day and only pull at that GPS if you need it.

Signal - learn some basic ground to air signals. Start to carry a whistle. Wouldn't hurt to consider tucking a bit of flag tape into your pack.

Other skills - learn so knots and practice them. You can keep a bit of paracord in your pocket and practice knots while on break at work.

Build a PSK and BOB. PSK = personal survival kit, its a little package that you build and store in a small tin or tupperware. You throw it in your pack and it has all the items you need to address basic first aid, shelter, fire, water, signalling etc. Its the thing that keeps you from forgetting the most basic stuff while packing for your trip. How small can you make your PSK and still have the basic items you will need? Rather than buy one off the shelf, build it yourself since it is so much cheaper and you will know its contents.

A BOB is a Bug-Out-Bag. Its often a back pack that you can throw in the truck. The BOB is kind for SHTF mentality folks. Basically, what if you had to evacuate your house RIGHT now. This Bag is somewhere you can just reach out and grab it. It is all packed and will see you through the next 72 hr or whatever after you've evacuated. You can carry a full BOB in your car/truck also.

Good luck and be sure to keep reporting on your learning adventures. There will always be stuff to learn and improvements to make on your road to adventure and skills development!
 
Hey guys. I am new To wildernes survival. I have always been a woodsman of sorts. Fishing, hunting, camping, hiking, and boating have always been some of my favorite pastimes. But I have always been under the assumption that i was prepared by taking everything i needed into the woods with me. (lighters, matches, hatchet, sleeping bag, tent, cooler, lantern,) But the older I get I am realizing that being prepared means having the knowledge and skills to make it without all those "comforts" available. AM I RIGHT GUYS? Well I thought this would be a great place to get started. So my first big question is WHERE DO I START? What should I learn first? I know this is a great forum and there are some very knoledgable guys on here eager to help educate. That's why I started here. Thanks guys!

It might help to know what (part of the) country, you're in.

Doc
 
I think you're pretty much right, since you've been an outdoorsman all your life 90% of the hard part is over. You know how to sleep outside, kill for your food, start a fire, the psychological barriers that many people have with starting fresh out the gate may be comforts to you. Knowledge DOES substitute necessary gear-to a point. Survival is a state of mind, denying death. Whether that may be escaping and evading capture in enemy territory or spending a cold night on a back road in a broken down car, the term survival reflects your willpower and doing what is necessary to stay alive. To some people who are completely new, practicing can be spending your first night outside or going on your first self supported camping trip. To some people it's a five day walkabout with no more than what is in your pockets. It sounds like you have the gear and the mindset so I'd recommend a survival manual such as the Air Force SERE manual (35 dollars at Borders) it's my favorite and in my opinion the most comprehensive. Start reading through it and study some of the skills in that book. Knots and linework is exceptionally important. Once you get a handle on this you can start testing natural materials in your surroundings for weaving cordage out of roots and shoots. Navigation, with map and compass first and then without, is also important. I'd say that knowing regional plant life and their madicinal and nutritional value, basic woodworking skills with primative tools and tracking are also skills that are pretty vital. Flipping through a comprehensive survival manual will give you ideas that you can practice on your front porch at night, such as whittling spoons, building traps etc. I'll emphasize one more time though, that more than the equipment, the knowledge and the skills, survival means simply the denial of regular comforts and necessities, and the will to stay alive. As a long time outdoorsman you know what tools and equipment you like and what works for you. Most of the battle is over, now you can get to the heart of what it truly means to survive.
 
Payette>>

I must, most humbly and respectfully, disagree with this part:

I think you're pretty much right, since you've been an outdoorsman all your life 90% of the hard part is over. You know how to sleep outside, kill for your food, start a fire, the psychological barriers that many people have with starting fresh out the gate may be comforts to you.

A guy I knew (won't mention any names out of respect for his family) hunted, fished and camped all his life. Went hunting in a spot he'd hunted for many years, got turned around and died of exposure.

A good friend of mine has a shit-ton of outdoors experience like you described, but the first time he watched me make a fire without paper or some kind of accelerant he was like a kindergartener saying: "TEACH ME, TEACH ME!!"

Panic is the number one killer of all people who are lost. It can turn an, otherwise, skilled hunter/outdoorsman into a statistic PDQ.

I've taught quite a few hunters who've told me that they'd never have thought of some of the stuff most of us (the ones who practice this stuff) consider "simple" and "basic".

Knowing how to sleep outside without freezing to death is different from knowing how to camp.

I will definitely second the USAF manual. It's one of my all-time favorites and the one I go back to more than any of my others.
 
Oh I won't disagree at all-but at the same time you could be a survivalist by profession and still get turned around and die of exposure. The very nature of outdoor recreation and survival is living life on the edge, and if you don't live it like you could very potentially die by the end of the day, then you are living it wrong. This is also the very reason why living this type of lifestyle is so rewarding. There's no benefits without struggle or risk. I'm just saying he has a good start and mental attitude towards survival in general.
 
I'd start with learning to build a fire and an emergency shelter and practice those until I could do them quickly, under hard conditions, and without a lot of toys. They're not only important, but they're fun. And while you're learning, you get to use a lot of fun toys (ax, knife, cord, firesteel, etc).
 
rogerschrisj,

Welcome to the forum. All the guys here have great advice. Reading is definitely a must. 98.6 degrees and the USAF SERE books are excellent. I would also recommend the SAS Survival Guide by John (Lofty) Wiseman, The Complete Wilderness Training Book by Hugh McManners, The Encyclopedia of Outdoor Survival by Barry Davis, and Build The Perfect Survival Kit by John D. McCann. No book is 100% perfect, which is why you want to read different sources from different authors with different approaches to wilderness survival.

Remember that your most important survival tool is your brain, not your gear. Personally, I love gear and gadgets, but all the gear and gadgets will do you no good if you don't know how to use them. It is a very good idea to start learning the basics (firemaking, shelter, navigation, first aid, water purification, and food gathering - all of which you are probably already acquainted with because of your outdoor experience) without the aid of gear or gadgets (or using only the most minimalistic gear). That way, if you ever loose part of your gear, you can still do without, but with your gear you can do faster and more effectively.

Doc Canada made a very good point. Where are you? You need to know the environment where you do most of your outdoor activities, including animals and plants. Learning the finer details of arctic survival is an interesting exercise, but is not much more than that if you live and roam in Texas. Let us know where you do most of your outdoor roaming, and I'm sure some of the guys will have more area/environment specific ideas for you.
 
Is there a differance in studying widerness survival and bushcraft? The more I look up un wilderness survival the more I find on bushcraft. I would hate to buy a book on the wrong subject even though i'm sure there would be some great cross over info in both . THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR ALL THE POSTS! It may not seem like alot for ya'll but it is a big help to me. Especially when there are so many skills to learn. i need help prioritizing the most important and building a good foundation.
 
Is there a differance in studying widerness survival and bushcraft? The more I look up un wilderness survival the more I find on bushcraft. I would hate to buy a book on the wrong subject even though i'm sure there would be some great cross over info in both . THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR ALL THE POSTS! It may not seem like alot for ya'll but it is a big help to me. Especially when there are so many skills to learn. i need help prioritizing the most important and building a good foundation.

Often the two are used interchangably because in most climates survival depends on your bushcrafting ability-firecraft, woodwork, trapping and skinning, tracking, all of these skills pertain to both bushcraft and survival.
 
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