New user's videos for WB

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Made some new ones with better sound and more explanation, using the Washboard to sharpen one of my Jarvenpaa Puukkos. Broke it up into 10-15 minute clips. Very dry, but if you own one, a better overview than the original videos.

[video=youtube;aAL2zpYNhbg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAL2zpYNhbg[/video]


[video=youtube;PaBW1jCDOJY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaBW1jCDOJY[/video]
 
[video=youtube;UVV5aiv3V3g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVV5aiv3V3g[/video]

[video=youtube;fO8LtpSdPYA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO8LtpSdPYA[/video]
 
[video=youtube;UVV5aiv3V3g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVV5aiv3V3g[/video]

[video=youtube;fO8LtpSdPYA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO8LtpSdPYA[/video]

Martin,

Thank you. I have just watched One and Two. Your voice came through nice and the sound of the abrasive at work is clear as well!
One thing that you might want to further emphasize is that a loaded sandpaper can cause edge burnt (de-tempered), as debated over the cliff stamp thread in spyderco.com forum. It also depends on the speed and pressure I guess, and using erasier to lift off the swarf is great idea.
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@Mag,

The instruction is very good also for beginner and old timer alike, to reminde us all on the basic steps. You might want to add this to the sticky there ;)
 
Martin, each of your videos opens new avenues of sharpening for me-not only ON the WB, but with my other sharpeners, as well. I will admit to discarding my leather strops, however. Whether I'm just getting ham-fisted in my old age, or what, I had quickly grown tired of having to use such a light touch on the leather that I was actually losing touch with what I was doing. Near zero feedback. After 40 years of having my stones tell me what I'm doing, the strops barely whispered. With the Washboard, I can close my eyes and tell what's going on at my edge. Maybe, as I said, I'm just getting old, but I would recommend this tool to anyone who wanted to strop and wanted a fast way to learn.
 
Chris "Anagarika";12662013 said:
Martin,

Thank you. I have just watched One and Two. Your voice came through nice and the sound of the abrasive at work is clear as well!
One thing that you might want to further emphasize is that a loaded sandpaper can cause edge burnt (de-tempered), as debated over the cliff stamp thread in spyderco.com forum. It also depends on the speed and pressure I guess, and using erasier to lift off the swarf is great idea.
:thumbup:

@Mag,

The instruction is very good also for beginner and old timer alike, to reminde us all on the basic steps. You might want to add this to the sticky there ;)

Chris, First off thanks for watching! The last series was done so poorly I could barely watch, glad this one is noticeably better.

I find that by the time the sandpaper degrades to a point where it might cause de-tempering at freehand speeds, its pretty obvious I need to replace it. I am almost obsessive about keeping that sandpaper clean though, and doing so really lets me know when it is time to replace or move it around some. A lot of this comes back to my theories when working with all stones, especially waterstones or sandpaper - move around the surface at the initial grinding phase and you won't have to worry so much about things like dishing and plugged/glazed sandpaper or stone surface. Then the surface is in good shape at the sweet spot for burr removal and finishing touches.

Somewhat ironic, until I started using it on the Washboard I had all but given up on sandpaper as I could see no advantage over hard stones. Now I only use the stones when I need to do some heavy stock removal. For regular work, the paper is holding up better than I remember.

Personally I am very dubious of a modern heat treated steel loosing its temper at freehand speeds, but then I seldom do any faster than what you see in the video. I know there have been studies showing elevated spot temperatures on a steel block being dragged over dry abrasive, but am unsure how these sensors were positioned to avoid false readings from bits of steel that were no longer connected to the main block, or how the actual pressure or friction coefficient compare to hand sharpening. The couple of times I've used a scale to see how much pressure I normally use, it clocked in at a couple of ounces at the high end. There's a lot of speculation about the heat concentrating at the apex, but that's also where the highest rate of heat exchange occurs.

In my own experience, and I can't assert this with any real authority :) - edges that are physically clean last a long time - most issues that crop up unexpectedly were from physical defects (dud metal on the cutting edge as opposed to de-tempered steel) already there and just being revealed by use, not structural ones.

Bottom line - avoid the issue altogether and keep the paper clean and in good shape. This also avoids a lot of frustration, which is just as good a reason :)

Martin
 
Martin, each of your videos opens new avenues of sharpening for me-not only ON the WB, but with my other sharpeners, as well. I will admit to discarding my leather strops, however. Whether I'm just getting ham-fisted in my old age, or what, I had quickly grown tired of having to use such a light touch on the leather that I was actually losing touch with what I was doing. Near zero feedback. After 40 years of having my stones tell me what I'm doing, the strops barely whispered. With the Washboard, I can close my eyes and tell what's going on at my edge. Maybe, as I said, I'm just getting old, but I would recommend this tool to anyone who wanted to strop and wanted a fast way to learn.

Steve, glad the videos are of use!

Your comment about closing your eyes struck me a bit - one of the reasons my voice is clearer and some of the mechanics are displayed a bit better for the viewer - I was watching the view finder/projecting my voice at the mic much of the time and not the Washboard...Once you get a feel for it, you really get a feel for it. As I mention in the video at one point, when doing touch-ups and light work I don't want to need a couple of passes to find the apex. If I can find it on the first pass regardless of edge type, my edge geometry stays way better and takes less time to recondition 'em.

Thanks for watching,
Martin
 
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