New Washboard video

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Unless one is a glutton for sharpening videos, skip this and preview the second version below at post #12. Is in part a product of the comments made to the the first version and is (if I do say so myself) a much better copy.




Hello, am updating the older videos on the site with HD and better content. This version may not make it as the final replacement due to content layout etc, but is still pretty good. Loads of info specific to the Washboard block, and for general hand sharpening primarily with sandpaper.

Is a bit long at nearly 40 minutes, but is intended to replace the first 5 videos at roughly 15 minutes each, so a fair amount of content.

Thanks for watching!

[video=youtube_share;CXpMK7Lx8fA]http://youtu.be/CXpMK7Lx8fA[/video]
 
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Hello Maritn, Very nicely done. Great instruction on the washboard.

Thanks for watching! I am determined to get it down to 20 minutes. Might be a bit frenetic, but I have to believe a 20 minute clip that an individual wants to go back and watch a second time is better than a 40 minute clip - is a chunk of time to spend in one watching, even on an instructional video.
 
Perhaps you can cut down on the background noise? It makes it a little difficult to listen with that constant humming in the background. If you can't manage the background, maybe you can put your mike close to your mouth and decrease the gain on the mike.
 
Perhaps you can cut down on the background noise? It makes it a little difficult to listen with that constant humming in the background. If you can't manage the background, maybe you can put your mike close to your mouth and decrease the gain on the mike.

Thanks for pointing that out! I'm somewhat tone-deaf, what we used to call "press-deaf". I thought I'd gotten rid of most of the background equipment noise! Will do more on that.

Martin
 
Mister Martin that was a well done video and gave me some good insight on using the 'washboard'. Been looking at your system and this video may be what finally convinces me.

Carl
 
Mister Martin that was a well done video and gave me some good insight on using the 'washboard'. Been looking at your system and this video may be what finally convinces me.

Carl

Very cool! The website has a ton more content as well, not a lot I can add except in answer to very specific questions or clarification. I did attempt another and the darn thing ran a few minutes longer even...

I did reduce the ambient noise, but realized the last bit was from fans on the company file server cabinet - couldn't turn that off. Who the heck puts such a thing out on the production floor? Hopefully its a little better, will link it up tomorrow when it finishes processing.
 
In the video you used paper between sandpaper grits. You stated that this has a burnishing effect. I have heard this term & have a little understanding of what this means in working with leather, but could you explain the effect on the knife blade when used between sandpaper grits. Most mentions of burnishing I have found seem to be spoken of as a negative. Thanks!
 
Apologize for the long-winded response, but is a very good question that leads to a lot of related info.

In this case I'm using the term to describe a small amount of cold working that refines the edge through plastic flow/deformation. The steel actually gets pushed around a bit, but in a good way. It is very similar to the mechanics behind the use of a smooth meatpacker's steel, but a lot less dramatic - also a lot less likely to lead to brittle failure if overdone, or to have any profound effect on the terminal edge angle etc.

It works best on fine grained steels with low carbide content, though I suspect it would work OK on newer PM steels with very small carbide sizes. So best results on kitchen cutlery, carbon steel, Aus8, All of the Sandvic steels I've tried it on. It has less effect on steels like D2 and even 440C though is still quite noticeable if the edge is left fairly coarse - not so much at the finer end of things. Stuff like s30v and higher also of limited value, though it does still have a mild effect. I haven't done a ton of cross testing, but I suspect similarities with steels that respond well/poorly to a smooth steeling.

It cleans up the edge quite a bit and seems to promote longer edge life than if left as is off the abrasive surface (wet/dry or a stone), though I have no empirical data to back that up. It absolutely will make the edge cut with finer character, and the micrographs show a change that would indicate just such an effect. Keep in mind that's just from a sheet of copy paper.

The first two pics are at 640x, show CS's Aus8 on a Recon at 600 grit before and after paper burnishing. The entire bevel face exhibits some effects.

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These two are from a Voyager showing the effect of a smooth steeling - included in the response just so you can see what a smooth steeling actually is doing at that scale. Effects are limited to the apex and region just behind it.

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While the end results are not the same, the same forces are at work in both cases, and in both cases lead to very nice boost in cutting quality. It is not easy to induce this sort of effect with good control or predictability when using a honing steel IMHO, due to it being very unforgiving of angle control or overuse. On a Washboard it is toned down some but still a very useful effect and much easier to manage without any negative results.

I've tried to reliably get this result from other improvised means, but while it is easy to duplicate the smooth steel results on something like a car window or Pyrex, the area effect created by the Washboard is far more elusive. Just seeing this effect from plain paper gives a feel for how it works with polishing compounds - the finer abrasive bites deeper without rounding the edge off, or allowing all the abrasives to line up along a single plain and polish the edge free of all irregularities. If you want a smoother presentation of the abrasive, you generally have to use additional sheets of paper and less pressure to more closely mimic the effect of a leather strop.

Here is another illustration of what I'm talking about. First pic is an edge off the fine side of an India stone:
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And this is after a handful of passes on paper wrapped around the coarse side of the same stone and dosed with Flexcut compound. A moderate amount of force was applied but nothing crazy - just enough to feel the stone surface under the paper. It refined the edge like crazy, but also left it with very little bite - slight haze along cutting edge is indication of some rounding at the apex. Is also incapable of repairing any but the most superficial wear. Compare that to the second image below showing the edge after treatment with my stock compound on a WB with probably four times the applied force - virtually no edge rounding and much more pronounced abrasive effect. This is how it fixes damage or usage wear with a lot more authority. You can get a lot of good result from instinctive use once you get a feel for it. In the video I commonly use a fair amount of force, maybe a pound or two initially, then let off to maybe a half pound - still far more force than one might use on a stone or traditional strop. The plain paper is used likewise, maybe a pound or two at the bevel angle, let off to a quarter of that with the spine slightly elevated. The plain paper can refresh the edge a few times before compound is needed again - all depends on how the knife is used.
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And some more illustration, a Bark River in 12c27 at 1000x using one sheet of paper and Formax green Cro 1/2 micron compound. Second pic is with 2 sheets of paper. With one more sheet of paper and less applied force, one could emulate the effect of stropping on leather with this compound.
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It just gives you an idea of how it works and why, and how it plays back to the burnishing aspect. It takes a little tinkering to get a real good feel for what it can do, but is capable of a lot of customizing from a single tool. Is also not easy to reliably produce the fine microtooth that is more typical of lapping operations, or working on a soft waterstone - both methods that require a lot more technical skill than simply stropping with a little extra applied force. While no sharpening tool is truly revolutionary, it does work in an atypical manner to get strong results.
 
Thank you! That makes a lot of sense. I have seen Murray Carter use newsprint over his stone as a final step & often wondered how it could actually "do" anything to hardened steel.
 
Thank you! That makes a lot of sense. I have seen Murray Carter use newsprint over his stone as a final step & often wondered how it could actually "do" anything to hardened steel.

Is somewhat amazing that it does. Some attribute it to the carbon black or other pigments in the ink, titanium dioxide is sometimes added as a whitening agent and filler. Also some silica is added or already present in many paper fibers. On pretty much any steel you can get a modest polishing effect from paper, especially apparent right off the stone. If you really lean on it you can cosmetically shine up many steels somewhat, is a cross of polishing action and burnishing via pressure and friction - even more pronounced when using a WB.

I knew when I started using the WB that it was doing quite a bit more, but had no idea how much till I started taking before/after micrographs - I have a handful of other micrographs showing this effect and the results on some steels is rather pronounced. Using paper as MC on a regular stone the edge doesn't really look any different though will cut nicer and is well worth doing, even on higher carbide steels. The same goes with the WB, isn't worth it to use the heavier amounts of force because overall the steel resists burnishing so well, though a modest bit of paper stropping at the existing angle does make a nice improvement.
 
This is the (hopefully) final revision. Is a much better copy, less ambient noise and better explanation of a larger number of concepts, many that are applicable to other forms of freehand sharpening.

Is tragically about the same length as the first one, can't seem to get it any shorter...

My sincere thanks to all who watch and even more to those with comment.

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Martin,

Have downloaded & watched the first 40 mins. It's very well done! Is the second one having more info?

The WB is very versatile & have been a constant companion for my daily maintenance; not that I use my blade that much, but I love to keep the edge there.
 
Chris "Anagarika";14228635 said:
Martin,

Have downloaded & watched the first 40 mins. It's very well done! Is the second one having more info?

The WB is very versatile & have been a constant companion for my daily maintenance; not that I use my blade that much, but I love to keep the edge there.

Chris, the second one is overall much better I believe. If folks can only spare time or inclination to watch one or the other, definitely watch the second. Some items are not quite as fleshed out as well as the first one, but more is touched on and better presentation of basic sharpening concepts and key principals - will be of more value to all and still provide best practices for the WB. As I rewatched the first one I felt it was very good for folks with a pretty good background, not so good for someone that has little or none. Overall I tried to make it more useful to a wider audience, you might find it a bit more remedial than the first.

I unlisted the first one and should probably make it private or delete, but am keeping it around as a reference in case I decide to make a third revision.
 
Martin,

Thank you! Took awhile to download it and yes, it's much better! I thought I was good at teaching/sharing but hearing you going about it makes me realized that it's either my fantasy or I've lost it over the years!

Not only the Washboard very versatile, the presentation is superb with concept that's applicable to any other media.
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Chris "Anagarika";14237352 said:
Martin,

Thank you! Took awhile to download it and yes, it's much better! I thought I was good at teaching/sharing but hearing you going about it makes me realized that it's either my fantasy or I've lost it over the years!

Not only the Washboard very versatile, the presentation is superb with concept that's applicable to any other media.
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Chris, I tried to make it shorter, but to be honest it should have been a few minutes longer.


I have to make this sort of thing universally applicable because the WB is really a bench stone - most anything that applies to a bench stone applies to the WB and vise versa until one starts using it as a finish hone and for more robust maintenance. At that point it really diverges in function and so do the instructions for best practices.

Only difference that most will notice when using it with sandpaper is that it has more tactile feedback. Only if they start to take a real close look with head to head comparisons will they realize it makes a flatter bevel and grinds a little faster than wet/dry over a plate.

I linked it to the site, and removed the 6 separate, shorter videos that covered this info. Hope it makes the total concept more accessible, easier to understand.

Thanks a lot for watching and giving me some feedback! BTW, I've learned a bunch from you over the years, don't downplay anything.

Take care
Martin
 
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