New way to use Sharpmaker!

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Previously, I thought about getting a sharpening system that allowed me to sharpen at arbitrary angles. My Sharpmaker, with its limited selection of angles (30/40 degs included), just wasn't flexible enough. I've heard of other people sharpening at arbitrary angles by using lots of magic marker and "eyeballing" it. I've tried this, but for the very same reason that I can't freehand sharpen on a stone, it didn't turn out too well.

Now I use a special setup to allow my Sharpmaker to sharpen at arbitrary angles. It's made my sharpening time much more enjoyable, since now I don't need to estimate angles. It's also faster now, since every pass down the rod is made at exactly the right angle (unlike when I'm freehanding).

I can take pictures of the setup, if necessary. I know my writing isn't too clear:

To change the angle, you need to slip something under one end of the Sharpmaker, to change the angle. I use sheets of paper, since you can add or subtract from the height easily. With a handy ruler, I figured out the correct height to use, and slipped it under the Sharpmaker (without lid attached to base).

For repeatable results, I always put the rods in the 40 degree side. Then I align the other side, through the two holes in the base, by having half of the holes showing through. Err... by that I mean that the stack of paper underneath the base supports the Sharpmaker at the line where the center of the two holes meet.

The length from the holes to the edge of the Sharpmaker, which should be in contact with the table, is 17.4cm. This measurement, when combined with the height of the stack of the paper (which we'll call H), can give us the angle.

Then, from simple trigonometry, the following formula tells us the angle we have:

sin(angle) = H/17.4
which can be converted to:
angle = inverse sin(H/17.4)

Note that to get the true angle, you need to add 20 (half of 40) to the angle from the formula. So if you want a 30 degree angle (per side, not inclusive), you would put:

sin(10) = H / 17.4
which can be converted to:
H = 17.4 * sin (10)

That tells you the height of the stack of paper you should use. You could also use a trial and error method with magic marker, to figure out the original angle on a blade, if you just add/subtract paper as needed.

You can calculate inverse sin with Calculator (duh! :)) in Windows. But for the people that are sick of high school/college math (I am!), I've calculated some commonly seen angles:

Per side angle (in degrees).......Height of stack of paper (in cm)
20.......................................0
21.......................................0.3
22.......................................0.6
23.......................................0.9
24.......................................1.2
25.......................................1.5
26.......................................1.8
27.......................................2.1
28.......................................2.4
29.......................................2.7
30.......................................3.0
31.......................................3.3
32.......................................3.6
33.......................................3.9
34.......................................4.2
35.......................................4.5
36.......................................4.8
37.......................................5.1
38.......................................5.4
39.......................................5.7
40.......................................6.0

Note that the angle above is just a per-side angle. So the overall, included angle would be 80 degrees for the last entry.

Be sure to account for compression of the paper when you measure the height of the stack. You need to hold the Sharpmaker down on the paper, so you'll need to add a few more mm of paper for there to be room for squashing.

Also, when you need to do the other side of the blade, you need to flip the whole Sharpmaker around. You need to sharpen with arms somewhat crossed, to support the Sharpmaker. Be careful in this position, sharpening is an inherently dangerous activity. Once again, I can take pictures if my writing isn't too clear.
 
Hello

Wow a 80 edge don't know how good that would cut. Sounds like an interesting idea though. I might just have to try that out.

Ryan
 
why start with the lowest of 20 degrees per side (40 total angle) when that isnt all that sharp of an angle for many. my average total angles are usually 30-40 depending on the knife
 
Interesting and imaginative. Thanks for the info and your efforts to convey this to the Forums.:cool:
 
Cool stuff!

BTW, for you guys wanting to do a lower angle ... the total included angle between the rods is 40 degrees. So if one of the rods is at 25 degrees, that must mean the other side is at 15 degrees. If one is at 30 degrees, now you have one at 10 degrees also. Just use the other stick if you want to low angle (you'll have to move around the sharpmaker to get both sides of the blade).

That's assuming all the math Alphalpha did is correct, I just bzzz bzzz'ed through it.

Joe
 
Thanks, Joe, for clarifying the bit about using the other side. I use that side to put a slight inward angle on my chisel ground blades (so they end up being something like 30 on one side and 10 on the other). It's easier than having one side be 0, plus it doesn't scratch up the finish on the blade.
 
I've been using this for a few days, getting the feel for the angles on my blades, but I've come across a little problem:

The Sharpmaker's rods aren't set at 40 and 30 degrees!

They're a few more degrees apart, which means something like 44 and 34 degrees. This won't be a problem, as long as you're consistent in how high you stack the paper (or if you magic marker each time you sharpen). But if you're telling others your bevel angles, you'll have a bit of trouble.

It's unclear whether this lack of accuracy is caused by the large lever forces encountered during sharpening, or if the Sharpmaker comes with slight deviations in hole size, rod size, etc. Perhaps both of these factors contribute to the slightly larger angle. The former being true will mean that over its lifetime, the Sharpmaker's angles will slowly increase, causing it to be less effective. I hope this isn't the case. Anyone have experience with heavily used Sharpmakers?

I'm going to post a link to this over in the Spyderco forum, so that Sal Glesser can tell us if hard use will lead to a greater angle over time.
 
Very interesting...

Man, what people will do for the proper angle! Sounds like a lot of work to modify it.

But anyway, very cool idea. At least we now know that some BF members have a college education.:D
 
Nice... I have a Sharpmaker 203 and I really would like the 30 degree angle option but I'll be damned if I'm gonna buy a whole new sharpener just because they changed the stupid plastic base. :mad: :mad: :mad: (Why is it that the minute I buy something a "new improved" version comes out a month later.) Argh.

Anyway it looks like the point is now moot thanks to the AlphalphaPB's nifty math.

PM
 
When I need to sharpen knife in different angle I simple draw a line on sheet of paper using protractor after this I put this sheet behind the Sharpmaker and put something under one side until the stone tally with the line. So I have the angle I need.
My English is :( ,but I hope you can understand me.
 
I own a 204 and love it. While I respect Sal and the design and don't want to encourage anything that would compromise the patent...I've always thought someone with a little skill could make an adjustable holder with a built-in compass to set the angle exact. I envision it would work similiar to an adjustable incline bench that you see at the gym.
 
Originally posted by Ig
draw a line on sheet of paper using protractor after this I put this sheet behind the Sharpmaker and put something under one side until the stone tally with the line
No good! This is too easy and accurate! We need complicated and clumsy (just for fun!) :D

Todah, khaver!
 
Originally posted by Esav Benyamin
No good! This is too easy and accurate! We need complicated and clumsy (just for fun!) :D

Todah, khaver!

Sorry. I'll try to invent more complicated method.:D

Al lo davar.
 
Rube Goldberg rides again.

OK. Here's the materials list:


50 feet 550 cord
2 4x4x10 studs
2 5 gal buckets
1 sponge
1 used bicycle innertube
1 toilet plunger
1 car floor mat (new or used)
1 compass
1 protractor (in mills?)
2 #2 pencils
2 empty milk jugs
6 wire coat hangers
2 plastic coat hangers
1 Roll Duct tape
1 Roll tie wire (you just can't get good bailing wire anymore)
1 candle
14 8d nails
30 feet 50 lb test nylon fishing line
1 sharpener of choice

and LAST but not LEAST: knife of your choice...

Options you may also consider: Prisims, smoke and mirrors...
 
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