New york jewish protest today?

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Dijos

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i was talking to a guy in the Un building today ( via telephone), and he said that thousands of Hasidic jews were protesting outside the building, and I can't find the remotest bit of news on it. he stuck his phone out of the window, and it was LOUD, man. Anyone know anything.
 
Outside the UN Secretariat building is a plaza designed for large groups to meet and chant and protest and demonstrate. The media rarely cover them unless the protests are part of a larger event.
 
Jews hate gays? You'd think that being a persecuted minority would make them a bit more tolerant.

-Bob
 
"Jews" do not "hate gays". Some Jews -- ultra-Orthodox medievalists -- may hold sectarian beliefs that exclude anyone not of their immediate community.

This includes members of other ultra-Orthodox communities that happen to follow rabbis other than theirs, OR Jews seen as insufficiently observant, AND certainly people whose lifestyle does not conform to their religious principles.

I sympathize with them in opposing a gay parade in Jerusalem. They could hold one every weekend in Tel Aviv and no one would mind. In Jerusalem it seems like flaunting their political power to do so, in a place and among so many people who wish to live separately from them.

But the law allows it, even encourages the expression of their rights. In fact, the government of Israel is using the parade to "sell" the idea of Israel as gay-friendly, where tourists can visit without fear of official prejudice.

The only reason for the police response that the article complains of is the violent and deliberately intimidating behavior of these "holy" men themselves. Were their response non-violent and political, the police would not be needed, and the question would solve itself by agreement among all parties.

In fact, because of the tension with the Palestinian Arabs, I believe the gay community is going to hold the event at a university, rather than in the streets. So we see who is showing the responsible attitude here.

From tonight's Jerusalem Post:
The number of police that will provide security during the Gay Pride event on Friday has been reduced to 3,000, police announced Thursday.
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Bob W said:
You'd think that being a persecuted minority would make them a bit more tolerant.
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You might think so. For centuries, most Jews behaved like that. Some still do. But many of us have come to feel that a persecuted minority no longer has that luxury. Instead we've developed the habit of pushing back when we're challenged.

Anyway, there are no arguments quite like arguments within a family. ("Two Jews, three opinions.")
 
Bob W said:
Jews hate gays? You'd think that being a persecuted minority would make them a bit more tolerant.

-Bob
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Truly, a typically slimy statement from a Democrat. As if Jews all have one unified view on gays. Are there any other people that have one completely unified homogenous view on anything? Or is it just Jews?


Let's add different words though now.

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Democrats hate Jews? You'd think liberal views would include acceptance of all races and cultures, even da Joos.

Imbecile.:thumbdn:
 
Truly, a typically slimy statement from a Democrat.
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Wrong guy, buddy. I'm a 100% independant.

As if Jews all have one unified view on gays. Are there any other people that have one completely unified homogenous view on anything?
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So 250,000 random individuals are protesting all at once by coincidence, or do you suppose maybe they are acting a group, so discussing them as a group is fair also? And they're protesting against each indivual gay person seperately, or are they protesting against a particular demographic group?

Grow up.
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Esav, I liked your post. I know many Christians and non-religious people who oppose special legal protection for homosexuals and/or openly ridicule the lifestyle. But Rabbi Niederman's comments struck me as particularly venoumous, especially for a holy person of authority.

I have no idea how many Jewish people share his views; it may very well be a parallel to instances when the media gives extra attention to Christian 'leaders' for occationally say something outrageous.

-Bob
 
I don't know if they really got 250,000 there. :) Anyway, they certainly weren't a random group, they were followers of a disciplined and opinionated sect. If you'd seen Reform (liberal) and Conservative (middle-of-the-road) or even Modern Orthodox (more strictly observant) there, it might have looked to me like a broadly Jewish rally. As it is, it's at least as much of a political demonstration, showing the City of New York how many ultra-orthodox bloc votes are available.

I can't believe even the demonstrators really believe they are influencing events in Israel.
 
You'd think that being a persecuted minority would make them a bit more tolerant.
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Just by defining the minority properly one propably could end with more than a few persecuted minorities that are not tolerant at all.

TLM
 
TLM said:
Just by defining the minority properly one propably could end with more than a few persecuted minorities that are not tolerant at all.

TLM
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I can think of at least 6 or 7 without trying hard.
 
Thread is now locked. I let this topic go for a bit and it didn't get any better.
 
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