New York Long Islanders - Okay to carry spyderco knives?

[jcmv4792]

I've been reading up on the laws and so far what I'm getting is that in Long Island, it's okay to carry a knife as long as it's not intended or designed to be a weapon. If I'm carrying a spyderco delica or endura, would a police officer be able to confiscate it for that reason?(In a hypothetical situation where I'm minding my own business and not acting shady)

Would the endura get more dirty/suspicious looks in public? I know it's not that much bigger than the delica but it certainly looks bigger when it's folded open.

 

[Akapennypincher]

Long Island is three Islands, Queens, Nassau County, and Suffolk County. So you have THREE SETS OF LAWS. Queens in in NYC or what they call the Five Boroughs. Queens being one.

 

[tom19176]

First Long Island is FOUR different counties: Brooklyn ( Kings County), Queens ( Queens County), Nassau County and Suffolk County. Most people incorrectly refer to "Long Island" as just Nassau and Suffolk. The law enforced by the NYPD in the FIVE Boros of the city ( of which Queens and Brooklyn are two) relates to two laws: NYC Admin Code 10-133 which states the blade must be under 4" and not visible in any way ( with a few exceptions), and the STATE LAW NYS PL 265.01 which bans certain knives as to design and function. The state law applies every where in NY. The issue is mostly that the NYPD enforces the gravity knife part of 265.01 to an extreme level, that MOST other parts of the state do not do. Remember that many Nassau and Suffolk officers were city officers early on in their careers and they have been known to follow the city's way of looking at the gravity knife law in those locations. It is state law and it is applicable.

 

[jcmv4792]

First Long Island is FOUR different counties: Brooklyn ( Kings County), Queens ( Queens County), Nassau County and Suffolk County. Most people incorrectly refer to "Long Island" as just Nassau and Suffolk. The law enforced by the NYPD in the FIVE Boros of the city ( of which Queens and Brooklyn are two) relates to two laws: NYC Admin Code 10-133 which states the blade must be under 4" and not visible in any way ( with a few exceptions), and the STATE LAW NYS PL 265.01 which bans certain knives as to design and function. The state law applies every where in NY. The issue is mostly that the NYPD enforces the gravity knife part of 265.01 to an extreme level, that MOST other parts of the state do not do. Remember that many Nassau and Suffolk officers were city officers early on in their careers and they have been known to follow the city's way of looking at the gravity knife law in those locations. It is state law and it is applicable.

Long Island is three Islands, Queens, Nassau County, and Suffolk County. So you have THREE SETS OF LAWS. Queens in in NYC or what they call the Five Boroughs. Queens being one.

Thanks for clearing that up. I meant Nassau County. So I take it I would be fine with both the endura and delica?(Since they are not gravity knives). Have you guys experienced being stopped and given trouble by law enforcement even though your knives were appropriate under the law?

 

[John_0917]

Thanks for clearing that up. I meant Nassau County. So I take it I would be fine with both the endura and delica?(Since they are not gravity knives). Have you guys experienced being stopped and given trouble by law enforcement even though your knives were appropriate under the law?

Well in NYC, the Delica/Endura, and any folding knife that locks open is considered a "gravity knife". Vance decided about 3 years ago that this was the law (DA interpreting the law, nice huh?), unfortunately some idiot appeals court judge issued a ruling that basically supported the gravity knife interpretation.

 

[jcmv4792]

Well in NYC, the Delica/Endura, and any folding knife that locks open is considered a "gravity knife". Vance decided about 3 years ago that this was the law (DA interpreting the law, nice huh?), unfortunately some idiot appeals court judge issued a ruling that basically supported the gravity knife interpretation.

Does that apply to nassau and suffolk county as well?(any folding knife being considered a gravity knife)

 

[tom19176]

First locking knives are not banned only ones that can be flicked open. Lets not spread rumors making things worst then they are already. Even DA Vance made that clear. It is true that very aggressive flicking or arm thrust have been allowed by some judges to be performed by an officer to show it is a gravity knife, while other judges would not allow this. In Brooklyn a couple of years back, the DA started to require officers to fill out a additional form as part of their paper work attesting to how they determined the knife to be a gravity knife. As to application of these laws to Nassau and Suffolk, as I stated above, YES as it is state law that has been upheld several times in NYS courts. It is not enforced as it is in NYC BUT it could be and that is the chance you would be taking.....

 

[jcmv4792]

First locking knives are not banned only ones that can be flicked open. Lets not spread rumors making things worst then they are already. Even DA Vance made that clear. It is true that very aggressive flicking or arm thrust have been allowed by some judges to be performed by an officer to show it is a gravity knife, while other judges would not allow this. In Brooklyn a couple of years back, the DA started to require officers to fill out a additional form as part of their paper work attesting to how they determined the knife to be a gravity knife. As to application of these laws to Nassau and Suffolk, as I stated above, YES as it is state law that has been upheld several times in NYS courts. It is not enforced as it is in NYC BUT it could be and that is the chance you would be taking.....

So would the delica and endura fall under that category? I can't flick them open out of the box, but might be able to after loosening the pivot screw.

 

[John_0917]

First locking knives are not banned only ones that can be flicked open. Lets not spread rumors making things worst then they are already. Even DA Vance made that clear. It is true that very aggressive flicking or arm thrust have been allowed by some judges to be performed by an officer to show it is a gravity knife, while other judges would not allow this. In Brooklyn a couple of years back, the DA started to require officers to fill out a additional form as part of their paper work attesting to how they determined the knife to be a gravity knife. As to application of these laws to Nassau and Suffolk, as I stated above, YES as it is state law that has been upheld several times in NYS courts. It is not enforced as it is in NYC BUT it could be and that is the chance you would be taking.....

It should be noted, however, that the "flick" they use is not like we think of it. It is done by holding onto the blade and then making the wrist motion. Obviously, this is MUCH easier to get the knife to open than the normal flick opening.

 

[John_0917]

So would the delica and endura fall under that category? I can't flick them open out of the box, but might be able to after loosening the pivot screw.

A broken in one most likely would, all of my Spydercos can be opened by the NYPD flick method (holding the blade). Another thing to remember is that in the city do NOT clip a knife on your pocket. It's like wearing a sign that says "arrest me". With the end of Stop & Frisk, keeping it in your pocket fully and generally not looking like a criminal makes it highly unlikely that you would get caught for carrying something like a Delica or Endura.

 

[jcmv4792]

A broken in one most likely would, all of my Spydercos can be opened by the NYPD flick method (holding the blade). Another thing to r0emember is that in the city do NOT clip a knife on your pocket. It's like wearing a sign that says "arrest me". With the end of Stop & Frisk, keeping it in your pocket fully and generally not looking like a criminal makes it highly unlikely that you would get caught for carrying something like an Delica or Endura.

Well that's enough reason to stop me from carrying a delica then.

Would a case pocket knife be okay?(The very small 2-3" pocket knives, some with copperlocks)

 

[maroast]

I was born and raised on LI and use to carry a delica around with no problem (not saying it was legal though, wasn't sure, didn't really care...as I was sure I could talk my way out of most problems as is the case in NY). I was home from TX one summer years ago and was visiting Manhattan with my yellow serrated spyderco Atlantic salt in my back pocket...a NYPD cop pulled me aside and grilled me on the knife...he tried and tried to flick it open to no avail. He wanted to see my ID so I showed him my TX DL and used my best Texas accent to tell him I was visiting (which was true) and I didn't know any better (also true). I got the knife back and was sent on my way with a warning to not clip the knife in my pocket.


This probably doesn't help, but if possible move to an area of the country where you have some freedoms then you don't have to deal with all those dumb laws in NY (firearms included).

 

[Akapennypincher]

First Long Island is FOUR different counties: Brooklyn ( Kings County), Queens ( Queens County), Nassau County and Suffolk County. Most people incorrectly refer to "Long Island" as just Nassau and Suffolk. The law enforced by the NYPD in the FIVE Boros of the city ( of which Queens and Brooklyn are two) relates to two laws: NYC Admin Code 10-133 which states the blade must be under 4" and not visible in any way ( with a few exceptions), and the STATE LAW NYS PL 265.01 which bans certain knives as to design and function. The state law applies every where in NY. The issue is mostly that the NYPD enforces the gravity knife part of 265.01 to an extreme level, that MOST other parts of the state do not do. Remember that many Nassau and Suffolk officers were city officers early on in their careers and they have been known to follow the city's way of looking at the gravity knife law in those locations. It is state law and it is applicable.

Brooklyn is located on the island called Manhatten, so Brooklyn is not part of Long Island, I was 99.999999% sure of this fact! but before posting this! I called my buddy who has live in Brooklyn over 60 years.

He said Brooklyn is not on Long Island!

 

[John_0917]

Brooklyn is located on the island called Manhatten, so Brooklyn is not part of Long Island, I was 99.999999% sure of this fact! but before posting this! I called my buddy who has live in Brooklyn over 60 years.

He said Brooklyn is not on Long Island!

Well, at least you didn't say 100%, since you're dead wrong. Manhattan is an island, it is technically called New York County. Brooklyn (or Kings County), another of the five boroughs, is on Long Island as is Queens. Long Island is made up of the four counties mentioned above. Also, Brooklyn is not on Manhattan Island, that's why they have that big thing called the Brooklyn Bridge.

So in short, your buddy is wrong, which is kind of sad since he lives there.

 

[tom19176]

LOOK AT A MAP OF LONG ISLAND!!!! Brooklyn is on it! As for the holding of the blade to flick the knife open, the wording of the law allows for this as it is vague, BUT most judges don't honor it and it is most common for a officer to try a knife that way when it has the open thumb hole ( like the Spyderco models do). You can thank the Spydie Drop for this even being considered. Most of the SOD buster type liner locks can not be flicked open and the blade sits so close to the liners that it can not be pinched to attempt that sort of opening.

See map below and call you friend back....



http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...sch&ei=QXljU7y9NsjJsQSn94HIDg&ved=0CAsQsCUoAw

 

[vic2367]

brooklyn and manhattan are separated by a large river ,,brooklyn bridge connects brooklyn to manhattan ,,if i were to live or work in NYc as i do ,,carry the spyderco ukpen knife or a swiss army knife ,,with no pocket clip attached .

 

[jcmv4792]

Are case,buck, and schrade pocket knives okay to carry in Long Island?(Since they do not lock, and can't be flipped open)