Newbie / Novice: Help me choose an EDC?

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Hello,

I'd like to try carrying a pocket knife. I have a pretty non-standard list of preferences for this forum, but you guys very clearly have the knowledge I lack. Here goes:

My use is utility - I want something that I can use to cut things I want cut. I'm a graduate student who cooks, does occasional camping tasks, opens a lot of boxes, cuts some paper.

To use a term from this forum, I'm "sheeple", and more to the point, so are those around me.

I'm cheap, and I like things of quality.

I'm interested (both academically and personally) in user-interface. That is, I want something that's extremely pleasant to use when I want it, and disappears when I don't. I'm thinking pocketclip (right handed, thankfully).

To give you datapoints to fit your model of the above:

I tried a Spyderco Native from walmart. It was WAY too much knife for my applications, terrifying looking to my friends, and frankly, pretty scary to me.

I've owned swiss army knives. My issue is that aside from the classic, I haven't found one with more tools I use than tools I don't. I'm not crazy aobut the classic's formfactor.

I've owned iterations of the leatherman micra (I think the new one's the squirt). It's great, though I've destroyed mine. Also, not crazy about the form factor. If I could learn to keep it sharp, I might be happy with this one. As it is, I imanaged to destroy mine by using it in one of those cheap fixed-angle sharpeners. It's a (formerly) chisel-ground blade, as was the scissors. Yup. Scissors is now hosed, knife better, but it's got an ugly, uneven edge. I think leatherman's warranty would cover this, but I'm a little too embarassed to find out.

Knives I'm considering:

CRKT:
M16 - the issue here is that it's scary-looking. Also, from what I've read, the steel might be weak.
KISS - Might be ideal, but it looks like it might not be all that pleasant to use, ditto with steel, relative to spydercos
Edgie - From what I've read, a next-gen boxcutter. Probably non-scary enough. Not sure if the micro-serrations formed by the frequent auto-hone would become annoying for my cutting tasks. Also, I might like a point. Lack of a lock might be an issue, though if it's safe for most of the tasks I listed, than maybe it'd be better that way. Also, I prefer tip down, one hand deployment. Lastly, the self-sharpen would almost surely mean I wouldn't end up with a sharpmaker, which is something I might like (I've got a sweet Shun Chef's knife that could use some love).

Spyderco:
Byrd (Meadowlark and smaller) - I'm cheap, so are they. I'd get a G-10 or stainless one. I don't know much about what blade shapes are good for what, but they're clearly a lot of value for the $. If the native was scary, how much less scary will these be?
Ladybug - A little small, no pocketclip. Will this feel like a small SAK in my hand, or will it feel like something I can grip firmly.
Dragonfly - I really have no idea how this one compares, where it lives between the ladybug and the delica.
Cricket - Looks great, not too scary, useful, dignified. My only problem is price.
Delica - Probably less scary than the native. My issue is price, and that it's still a little scary.

Kershaw:
One of those Ken Onion assisted openers. I forgot which is which, but definitely less than 3 inches on the blade.

Any others you'd recommend for my use / abuse.

Multi-tool tools I'd miss (a little): Scissors, Bottle-opener, file. Maybe tweezers occasionally.

Thanks for your help / advice!
 
well you've made some fine choices so far. If i can add to your list, i would suggest looking at a Boker Subcom or Wharcom. They are small (1-7/8 blade), cheap ($27), and durable. Check out the Boker manufacturers forum here for some reviews.
 
Seems like you might be in the market for a traditional pocketknife. I've been happy with all of my recent Case purchases. Large selection and good prices here:
http://www.casexx.com/
Given your stated needs and preferences, I suggest a Sod Buster or Jack Knife as being good starting points in your search.

I don't care for the bulky, overloaded, 'gimmicky' Swiss Army models either. But there are many models that are rather minimalistic - which makes them more slender and more affordable. Check out the Waiter ($12) and the Bantam ($11) for examples.

Ladybug - A little small, no pocketclip. Will this feel like a small SAK in my hand, or will it feel like something I can grip firmly.
I find it hard to grip, since it's so small.

If you're interested in a smaller modern designed knife, I really like the Mini-Griptillian from Benchmade.
 
Since no one has bothered to answer you I will give it a try. First of all if you want tools with your knife maybe one of the Leatherman multi tools will be your ticket. Then again you may like what a lot of us calla traditional knife--a slip joint. So take a look at all the knives Case makes and I'm sure you may find something you would feel comfortable in carrying, like a Case Peanut. These knives are good knives, made in USA. You can go plain, yellow handle or you can pay out more for some bone scales. Maybe a Boy Scout knife will be more to your liking. Remember a knife is a tool and nothing more unless you want to play Rambo and get one of those tactical things. Also for more money Spyderco makes some nice gentelemans knives, they are a little pricey.Good luck in your search.
 
I'm a big Kershaw fan in both the affordable and upper level Kershaw line. Great value there in that line. I also like Spyderco but, do not own one,yet. I have read and heard many good things about them. Your looking in the correct arenas though. Keep up the research and get the one that feels the best.
 
The Kershaw Leek is a small (3" blade), well-made (in the USA) assisted-opening knife available in a multitude of options. Frame lock, liner lock, plain edge, partially serrated edge, all stainless steel, aluminum scales, G-10 scales, and in different colors. Designed by Blade Magazine Award-winning knife maker Ken Onion, it's sleek enough to be non-threatening (non-"tactical" design), and you can always open it with two hands if you're around people whom might react to an AO blade deployment. Older models are 440A blade steel; that's been replaced with Sanvik's 13C26 steel, and manufacturing will soon switch to a Kershaw/Sanvik exclusive, 14C28N. In addition, there are Leeks with high-performance composite blades, utilizing a cutting edge of CPM-D2 or ZDP-189, and also Damascus models. All of these represent a great value and mucho "bang-for-the-buck." You can even pick up some models at your local Wal-Mart...pretty convenient.
 
all of these should suit your needs and budget, all 2 1/2- 3 inch blades
Opinel #7
Case medium stockman, sodbuster, texas jack, peanut, baby butterbean, etc
Kershaw Scallion
Victorinox Farmer
 
You have made some good choices and all the recommendations I have read are solid and practical. Perhaps another area to look into are the Benchmade 'Red' class knives, which are an excellent value as well. Good luck with the search.
 
Cheap & Quality equals SAK, CADET-probably too small but has the finger nail file $18.--
Pioneer Rancher has a nice hook blade for those boxes and a larger blade for your TOFU! Nice and thin knife about $22.-- Look at the Alox knives from SAK get two if you need!

BTW-pay somebody to sharpen your knives it's cheap and they don't cuss you for trying it yourself when you bring it in. Stay sharp.

Also Kabar Dozier folders-----$22.-- various sizes.
 
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Not certain of your budget, but perhaps the new Fallkniven FH9 would suit your needs.

2.6 inch blade made of G3 steel for excellent edge retention, and consertative looks so as not to alarm your friends. Truly a gentlemans pocket knife.

Fallkniven's are excellent quality knives, but you will pay a premium for the quality.

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Kevin
 
I think the dragonfly would be a good idea for what you want. It's not scary at all, not to big and as sharp as a razor.
 
The Kershaw Leek is a small (3" blade), well-made (in the USA) assisted-opening knife available in a multitude of options. Frame lock, liner lock, plain edge, partially serrated edge, all stainless steel, aluminum scales, G-10 scales, and in different colors. Designed by Blade Magazine Award-winning knife maker Ken Onion, it's sleek enough to be non-threatening (non-"tactical" design), and you can always open it with two hands if you're around people whom might react to an AO blade deployment. Older models are 440A blade steel; that's been replaced with Sanvik's 13C26 steel, and manufacturing will soon switch to a Kershaw/Sanvik exclusive, 14C28N. In addition, there are Leeks with high-performance composite blades, utilizing a cutting edge of CPM-D2 or ZDP-189, and also Damascus models. All of these represent a great value and mucho "bang-for-the-buck." You can even pick up some models at your local Wal-Mart...pretty convenient.

+1, may I also suggest the Kershaw Zing and OD-1.

The Zing in orange color is very sheeple friendly.
 
The Kershaw Leek is a small (3" blade), well-made (in the USA) assisted-opening knife available in a multitude of options. Frame lock, liner lock, plain edge, partially serrated edge, all stainless steel, aluminum scales, G-10 scales, and in different colors. Designed by Blade Magazine Award-winning knife maker Ken Onion, it's sleek enough to be non-threatening (non-"tactical" design), and you can always open it with two hands if you're around people whom might react to an AO blade deployment. Older models are 440A blade steel; that's been replaced with Sanvik's 13C26 steel, and manufacturing will soon switch to a Kershaw/Sanvik exclusive, 14C28N. In addition, there are Leeks with high-performance composite blades, utilizing a cutting edge of CPM-D2 or ZDP-189, and also Damascus models. All of these represent a great value and mucho "bang-for-the-buck." You can even pick up some models at your local Wal-Mart...pretty convenient.

+1 on the Leek, sounds like it´s exactly what you´re looking for (provided the blade shape is suited for your daily cutting tasks)
 
I think if you thought the Native was too much of a knife then a Leek, OD-1 or Zing would probably be too much as well. The CRKT Edgie isn't even worthy of the $11 I spent on mine and the M16 isn't exactly a utility knife.

It doesn't have a pocket clip, but I think an Opinel might be a good choice for you. I like the fact it has a locking blade but the classic form and non-tactical look might help with the 'sheeple' problem.

The Byrds are all great bargains, as are some of the Buck line. A lot of people knock Wal-Mart, but have you browsed the selection there? They usually have a pretty good selection of Buck and Kershaw offerings. Whatever you decide, I really think you should get something with a locking blade.
 
You dont want scary.. but want an assisted opener? That doesnt make sense to me.

Go with the Delica. You wont be disappointed at all. Or go with A Spyderco Tenacious. I'm also really loving my Kershaw Skyline from walmart. It's not assisted but does have a flipper so you can open it quickly.
 
I'm going to also vote for the Delica. Get one in white or some other less-threatening color than black, and get it in a smooth edge (as opposed to serrated.) This will lessen the "scary" factor quite a bit.

When you have a little more money available, get a Spyderco Sharpmaker and learn to use it. Show your friends how much better sharp knives work in the kitchen, and they'll come around, at least a little.

Oh, and I don't know where you're looking to buy, but you can do a lot worse than New Graham knives. Excellent service, fast shipping. KnifeCenter is also good, as is One Stop Knife Shop.
 
Scary, the Native!? Then you should consider a Lone Wolf T3 if you can find one. And yes, it has a pocket clip...
 
If you want a SAK with only a few tools then you might want to consider these from Victorinox
Compact, One-hand Sentinel, Picknicker, Pioneer, and Spartan.

I would also suggest a Kershaw OD-1 but the speed with which it opens might put it into the scary category.
 
"Sheeple" (good heavens do I find this word annoying, but it works =P ) tend to look at any knife that has a tactical look to it from my experience. SAKs and smaller traditional pocket knives are the only ones I haven't been eyeballed for using (so what if I spread butter on my granola bar with a Tenacious! Stop staring at me! =P).

Personally, I kind of see the Byrd knives as being seen as 'more menacing' in peoples' eyes due to the curvy comet deployment hole. I just think people would think it to be more troublesome than a regular round hole or thumb stud.

Smaller tactical knives that seem a bit more people friendly are the Kershaw KO designs (Shallot and the like), and the SOG Flash I. All have smaller blades and seem to be more tolerable by the casual folk. However they are assisted opening, so that opens up that can of worms.

Edit: Also for the tools you'd miss most - look into getting a small SAK for either your keychain or just slip it in your pocket. A Rambler or Manager (off the top of my head) has all of those tools in a tiny ~2.25" long SAK.
 
Before I was a knife nut, I carried a Kershaw Scallion -- like the Leek but the next size down. That knife seems impossibly small to suit my tastes now, but I carried it for years, and it suited my every day needs very well, which are similar to yours. The only problem is, small as it is, it's probably too tactical looking for your particular needs. Most one hand openers with a pocket clip will be, incidentally.

I'm going to add my voice to those recommending something traditional. Specifically I'd recommend a Case small Copperlock. It's a slim single blade folder with a back-lock and a sub 3" blade. It's one of my favorite knives for the office, etc where the sheeple factor is huge, and it's actually a serious cutter. Case offers one with synthetic yellow handles which has Chrome Vanadium Carbon steel which has excellent edge holding properties. It's also very light in the pocket due to the synthetic handles.

Good luck, and welcome to BladeForums!
 
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