Newbie to Knives. Looking for Ka-Bar type

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Hello Knife Experts!

I'm a newbie to knives. Sure, I own a gerber multi-tool, but not because I studied it and made an informed decision, it's just used by so many infantry guys (like me) that it's the benchmark, so I went along.

I'm looking for something ka-bar..ish Maybe a ka-bar, maybe not. But I want something that has a butt on it that can pound tent stakes, nails & spikes in a pinch.

And if ka-bar is the answer, which one? I've read the D2 chips, and some people feel the new plasticized handles can't be gripped in freezing cold (not that it will matter in the sandbox I'm going to). Also, I don't fully understand the steel hardness rating system and its effect on blade maintenance. Is the 12" impractical?

Finally, since I don't know what it'll be used for, nothing too exotic or specialized.

Thanks
Bob
 
Welcome to bladeforums :)

Have a look at the SOG Seal Team and the SOG Seal Team Elite. Both are similar to Kabar in design and have the tang exposed at the end for hammering

Also, I don't fully understand the steel hardness rating system and its effect on blade maintenance.

Generally, the harder a steel is, the longer it'll keep an edge. The downside is that it also becomes more brittle and harder to sharpen. Like you said above, harder steel may chip an edge instead of rolling on impact on harder objects
 
It depends on the price range you are looking for.
There are not too many production knives with butt - pommel. Randall has it but it is quite expensive. SOG Bowie has it

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also and Fallkniven Northern Light model line. Benchmade has also some - 10500 Rant Bowie.

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Buck Vanguard (this one is Alskan Guide from Cabela's):

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If it is OK for American infantry to have Russian knife - RosArms has nice pommels and they made them aluminum as I understand.

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There are many knives without metal pommel but hard plastic which also can be used as a hummer for tent stakes. First in line I think Mission MPK with A2 steel:

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Fallknivens:

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JPPeltonnen SissiPukko (funny name but means Ranger Knife in Finnish)

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G-Sakai - Samurai Bowie

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I also strongly recommend you to look at Busse knives (check noss4 tests on YouTube), Fehrman, RangerKnives and BarkRiver.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
I think you need to go and try out some knives, see how they feel in the hand. I can recommend both Ka-Bar, Benchmade, RAT Cutlery, Ranger Knives, and lastly Ontario Knife Company. All have offerings that fit what you are looking for. Pay close attention to size. Also if you are in the military already, make sure that whatever you get is cleared with your Sgt or CO. I would hate to see someone invest in something and then have it confiscated. My brother is limited to a folder right now for just that reason, its all he can keep hidden on his person. Good Luck.
 
There's nothing wrong with Ka-Bars, but if you need to pound in tent spikes, take along a hammer. Or even a small hatchet. All you're gonna end up doing to whatever knife you choose to pound in tent spikes is ruin it.
 
There's nothing wrong with Ka-Bars, but if you need to pound in tent spikes, take along a hammer. Or even a small hatchet. All you're gonna end up doing to whatever knife you choose to pound in tent spikes is ruin it.

I also think that if you will do this again and again with metal pommel it will eventually damage the handle. Usually knives with pommel have more or less thin hidden tang which most likely bend or even more likely it will lose pommel etc...

I am however comfortable with Mission handle. I think if you OK with price it may very well be the best choice.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Hey Everyone:
Thanks for the responses.

Nozh2002:
Those pics look fantastic. In fact, they look so good I'd be afraid it'd get dirty, dinged or stolen! They look expensive too...

Smash05:
I'm not worried about having my knife declared contraband. My CO and Sgt are each bringing M1911's and said bring whatever you want (except for plants, animals, explosives and poisons)-but don't expect us to repair it, maintain it or feed it.

I'm leaning toward Dan's idea: ka-bar 1095 steel, maybe serrated instead of plain. maybe leather sheath or plastic. Does serration really make add/detract much performace? It seems seration would be a B!#$*ch to sharpen!

Besides, if ka-bar's have been good enough for millions of other guys for 60 years it should be good enough for me. Dull, cheapish, practical. Remember, I'm not a knife collector like you guys.

Thoughts?
 
Another vote for the good old Ka-Bar USMC fighting knife.

Since you are new to knives the Ka-Bar USMC is a not too expensive way to get into knives and you are getting a classic.
Use one for 6 months or a year and see what you think of its design.
 
Hey Everyone:
Thanks for the responses.

Nozh2002:
Those pics look fantastic. In fact, they look so good I'd be afraid it'd get dirty, dinged or stolen! They look expensive too...

Smash05:
I'm not worried about having my knife declared contraband. My CO and Sgt are each bringing M1911's and said bring whatever you want (except for plants, animals, explosives and poisons)-but don't expect us to repair it, maintain it or feed it.

I'm leaning toward Dan's idea: ka-bar 1095 steel, maybe serrated instead of plain. maybe leather sheath or plastic. Does serration really make add/detract much performace? It seems seration would be a B!#$*ch to sharpen!

Besides, if ka-bar's have been good enough for millions of other guys for 60 years it should be good enough for me. Dull, cheapish, practical. Remember, I'm not a knife collector like you guys.

Thoughts?

Well I have review on my website from Red Beret (Russian Specnaz) and his conclusion is - nothing is better then good old KaBar.

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Denise answered to my request on Russian guns.ru forum (Russian kind of blade forums) wrote his opinion on KaBar1217:

Good day Vassili!

What I learned about KaBar USMC from Vitaly who used it in Chechnya:

The balance of knife splendid, with the given mass and the length of blade does not peck by nose absolutely. Excellent property for the hand-to-hand fighting. But if you move it just a bit to place pommel between last two fingers - balance will sharply change and you may chop holding it very secure - for camp kind of jobs.

About grip for the battle I will say one: pure duels on the knives in the battlefield is very rare. The use of a knife for removing the chasovoy (the one who stay on alert guarding something), when you do not have special weapons is justified. And KaBar manages this task just wonderfully. The tip of the blade is very durable to the break. The geometry of blade wonderfully is suitable for the splitting impacts from bottom to top, also, at the side inward. Motion here is circular and knife with sharpened clip point enters in a target as an awl.

Grip because of double-sided guard can be both blade upward and blade downward, but takeing into account geometry and width of blade more effective is blade downward grip. This difference from NR-40/43 (Russian WWII battle knives) which is used by a blade upward with the straight grip, which gives the wide split wound in spite of narrow blade. The chopping impacts of KA- bars make simply amazingly, not only because of the mass, but also the grind, in the contribution it does not stick with the impact because of flat grind.

Steel is sharpened very easily. Not razor sharp, but it shaves hair, yes even this sharpness not really required. In general we uses knife for camp kind of works, in this regard KaBar excellent knife. As far as for food, here we are using small, well-made and cheap multitools. This for purposes of hygiene - diarrhea is very common thing in Chechnya you known: -), and to cut by knife by which cut dirty ropes, let us say sausage - it is fraught, even if we wash out.

About battle score Vitaliy does not say anything in detail - he indicated only that there are nothing better than KaBar for this matter on his opinion. Both of as about 110 kg of weight and 185 cm tall so that knife does not seem heavy for both of us, to as hard to understand when some say that this knife is heavy as a crowbar - who are they, children of urbanization?

It is concern of guard, with this balance double-sided guad - just right! One-sided may just looks better. To my opinion Philippines grip here will not work, as well as reverse grip, after all blade is heavy and it will a little bring in, but with straight grip - this guard just excellent.

Handle leather in the cold weather it is simple the blast! Barely cools palm. It did not rot at all. Leather sheath were orange in the week became dark brown. Also they did not rot, only a little shrink from drying. Coating went away, but some layer remained. It rusts moderate, edge cutting periodically must be resharpened even if we do not use it, otherwise rust eats it rapidly, but this if rain or very strong humidity, otherwise it is all OK.

Is short this just right knife for the rough, wide paws of the round-faced green and krapovy berets (Red Berets) :-).

With the respect Denis.
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Thanks Vassili.

P.S. Here my picture of KaBar:

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Welcome to the forums.
You can't go wrong with 1095. It sharpens easy and holds it fairly well, a great utility steel. Just take care of it and it will not rust. It may form a patina, but that can be a good thing. Sharpening serrations is easy enough. Sharpen on the back of them. Serrated edges work well for ropes, straps, etc. Getting the most out of them takes practice. It depends on your method of use as to whether they will help or hinder.

Good luck in the sandbox!
 
Vassili, I would agree with your post, knife vs knife combat would be extremely rare these days. One of the combatants will have a firearm (hopefully me). I expect (hope) this will just be a utility knife and I'll let the M4 & 92FS and do my talking.

It feels decided: KA-BAR 12", 1095 steel, probably serrated, probably leather sheath.

If anyone has any objections let them speak now!
 
I want the Ka-bar you linked to, but with the new, hard plastic sheath.
Any recommendations where I can find it?
 
How do the Ontario branded knives of this pattern stack up to the Ka-bars ?

Thanks.
The Ontario one is straight Military Spec. It will not look as nice, but the ones I have seen are fine. KaBar has better fit and finish, and the blade is epoxy coated and the Ontario is parkerized per Mil Spec. I trust KABAR fit and finish more, and if I were to have a choice I would pick KaBar. On the other hand I have several Ontario 1095 blades and they are excellent as well, just not Trim and Neat like my KaBars.
 
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