Newest Knife - Camillus WWII Fighting Knife

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Just picked this up todayphoto (3).JPG.

Not perfect but I kind of like it!

Moose - is such a knife allowed at Ethan's this fall?

CD
 
I should have mentioned that I am looking for a leather sheath for this knife - blade is 6 3/8" long and 1 1/8" wide at the widest point. Thickness 3/16th "

Thanks

CD
 
Here's info straight from kabar's site for model #s for leather sheaths: http://www.kabar.com/accessories

Like you, I have an old kabar and the leather sheath off the current 7" model will fit it nicely. You have choice of leather sheath with USN, USMC, US ARMY or "KA-BAR".

Any online or local store who sells kabar products should have the extra sheaths for sale.
 
Could you show us a picture of the knifes markings? IMHO a WWII knife deserves a matching sheath.
 
I have the same knife. The scabbard is green plastic with a mteal band the say USN, and a woven belt loop and retaining strap. Check the bay. Tough to find cheap, but available. Something cool about the knife being in it's proper home.
 
Could you show us a picture of the knifes markings? IMHO a WWII knife deserves a matching sheath.
Will try for a better picture tomorrow. But on the blade just forward of the handle it says:

U. S.
Camillus, N.Y.

And about 1" behind the point is a very small marking which could be a "10" or a "13" stamped into the blade. Or, the marking could just be random marks generated accidentally in rough use. Hard to tell. And yes I entirely agree that the best choice for a sheath would be a proper vintage one. Know of any sources? I can find new sheaths pretty easily either from KA-BAR or from custom makers.

Thanks

CD
 
So it looks like this?

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This knife is post WW2. Camillus got it’s first post WW2 contract for the MK2 knives after 1960. I don’t recall the exact year.
From the early 60’s to the fall of 74 this is how they marked them. Starting in 74 they left off the “N.Y.”.

Here are examples of the Vietnam period Mark 2’s.

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YES! Same marking - the only difference I see is that the upper portion of the blade guard on my knife leans forward rather than being straight up and down. So my knife is not WWII vintage? Guess I was mislead by the seller (not saying it was intentional on his part though). I will still try to get a good picture of the markings up here today but kind of overwhelmed getting ready to fly to Maine.

CD

PS WWII or not I still like the knife..
 
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Sac troop - here is a closeup - sorry about the focus; I just don't know how to get this close and still have the picture in good focus. But it does show the markings and differently shaped handguard.

Surely I need a proper sheath.
thanks

CD
 
Col Defender - your knife is definitely post WW 2 by the markings and someone has bent the top guard foward on it, not factory made like that.

I bent the top guard like that also on one of mine at one time, makes the grip a little more comfortable depending on how you hold it.

Camillus did do a prototype during WW 2 where they used the guard ( thicker and top of guard bent foward ) and butt plate from a M3 but it was never adopted.

As you said still a nice knife, it's by far my all time favorite :)
 
Yes, 1962 (I looked it up in the mean time) to early 1974. The early knives had a dark (almost black) finish that was often called ox-blood. Towards the last few years it changed to a true black. With a nice "been there, done that" knife I'm not sure there would be too much difference in value between WW2 and Vietnam. Most of the value seems to be in them being "war knives". I agree that guards were often modified for user preference.
 
Good morning all...

And thanks so much for sharing your expertise. I do want to look for the right sheath.. On EBAY I see some vintage sheaths advertised as correct that are hard plastic where the blade goes in, kind of like a bayonet sheath, but in your pictures sac troop the sheaths are entirely leather (which would seem correct to me). So what should I be looking for?? All leather, or plastic with some leather/canvas?

Thanks so much in advance.

CD
 
At the end of the day it depends on how close to original you want the sheath to be. KaBar has replacement sheaths that will fit your MK 2 combat knife. If you find one that is sterile, ( has no embossing on it), it will pass the ten yard test. By that I mean it won’t look out of place being worn by someone looking at it from that distance. At the same time at close inspection anyone who knows what they’re looking for will know it’s not right.
Ontario is the last company I can think of making this knife under U.S. Government contract. I’m not sure that uncle has ordered any recently. Government procurement policy has changed a bit in the last 15 years. You can buy a sheath for their version of the Mk2. I haven’t seen one up close recently and can’t tell you how it compares to the sheaths made during the 1960’s. The black color would be OK for a late 60’s-70’s knife.

http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/ON8181/Ontario-Sheath-Fits-498-Marine-Combat-Knife-Leather

Heres another picture that gives you a better look at an early, ( late 1961 to at least late 60’s) sheath.

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Officially the government specs effecting the color changed in 1966 from the ox-blood color to black. In practice Camillus continued to deliver knives with the ox-blood color for quite awhile, maybe even to the early 70’s. I haven’t been able to pin it down any closer. If it were me I’d try and choose the color of the sheath based on the color of the handle. That can be a little tricky with a knife that has that been there done that character that your’s does.

Here’s a detail of the sheath construction.
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Circled is a wedge shaped welt that is part of the construction of the post WW2 sheaths. Yes some of the WW2 sheaths also had a similar welt in them but not all.
I used two sheaths here. One ox-blood and one black to show how close the color can look under certain light.
If the Ontario sheath I referenced to earlier is still made the same way you’d be pretty close to a good match. One thing would be having a new sheath with a used knife. But there are ways to address that which I won’t go into.

If after considering the above you decide that what you really want is an original sheath, then consider the following.
First original sheaths can be harder to find than the knife. Good thing is the chances of locating a Vietnam era sheath is IMHO a little better than original WW2 leather sheaths, (note that I said LEATHER).
Gun shows, flee markets, etc., are going to be the likely places to locate these and it can be a big snipe hunt to locate what your looking for. Sometimes your best friend can be members of forums you belong to who have what your looking for and are interested in making a deal.


Regarding what your referring to as a “plastic sheath”. I believe your talking about the (U.S.N./MK.2) scabbard.

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This scabbard was made during WW2 to fit the mark 2 combat knife for the Navy. They made a lot of these and a lot of them were in the Navy supply chain for a very long time.
These are best paired with a “U.S.N.” marked WW2 combat knife. The Marines didn’t officially adapt this scabbard, but I’d not be surprised that more than a few Marines used these.
It also wouldn’t look out of place to see a picture of a Vietnam G.I. wearing one of these at that time but it wouldn’t be common to issue that combination to him during that time period.
While these scabbards are starting to get harder to run across on the open market now it may be that you’ll run across one of these before you find a correct leather sheath.

FYI here are some pictures of a couple of WW2 Camillus U.S.N. mark 2’s to show you two different ways they were marked at that time.

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If your really interested in collecting U.S. military blades I’d recommend you’d invest in the book; “The best of U.S. Military Knives Bayonets and Machetes by M.H.Cole) It’s still currently in print and it’s a bargain for a reference source. If you don’t want to go that way try the library system to see if you can find any of the Cole’s books. There are other resources too, but this is getting off topic here.

Sorry for the long post. Hope this helps.
 
Thanks so much sac troop

Obviously I have a whole bunch to learn :-). I did go ahead and order a sheath from the link you gave me to knife center; it will surely do for now and as the opportunity arises I will look for a proper vintage sheath. Thanks also for the reference to a "must have" book and I will look into that as well.

Don't know for sure whether I will get too serious about military knives but as a retired army guy it does sort of follow. In October I am going to a knife event in the hills of Tennessee (talked into this by my son) where for two days while camping we will get all sorts of bushcraft, survival, knife skills etc etc (truly not sure myself) and I want to take the Camillus knife and need some sort of a sheath. So problem solved for now.

Thanks again for all your help!

CD
 
This may be off topic.. Not trying to hijack this thread or anything..
My uncle gave me his *old USMC kabar. The handles are really phuk't up.
Does anyone know a place to get canvas micarta handles for the ORIGINAL Kabar?
I think custom varigating colored micarta stacked handles would beat the ancient leather..
 
I have two WWI-WWII knives i had handed down from my grandfather, one is a Solingen Germany (serial number H 113) the other is too hard to make out, it's in pretty rough shape, but if anyone has any information on either of these two knives. PLEASE CONTACT.
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Sac troop - here is a closeup - sorry about the focus; I just don't know how to get this close and still have the picture in good focus. But it does show the markings and differently shaped handguard.

Surely I need a proper sheath.
thanks

CD

Can you post more photos please?
 
I did run across this in regards to finding a sheath that will fit one of these knives.

http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/ON8181/Ontario-Sheath-Fits-498-Marine-Combat-Knife-Leather

Ontario filled Government contracts for the 1219C2 type knife at least as recently as 2002 that I’m aware of.
I haven’t seen this sheath first hand, and can’t speak to whether it matches up to recent government issued sheaths in construction and quality. It will be (black) in color.
 
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