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JohnInNH

JohnInNH

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Was up late watching Direct TV and had Boston NEWS on....

WARNING NEW THREAT

Tickler story: "Knives a NEW "threat to children""... more to follow.

I say to myself "Gad. MA took all the guns ..now they are after knives." It's all so predictable. Camera pans pile of evil looking folders and some cheepie switch blade look alikes. The "NEWS" reporter (I use this term lightly as they are making news not reporting it) talks about how there is a NEW proliferation of deadly weapons being sold on the street.

Politicians gather and propose new laws to rid the streets of "readably assessable" weapons. Flash to a Computer CRT with a Web page loading (looked familiar) with all sorts of little pictures of evil black handled serrated blades..... More discussion on how laws NEED to be passed to stop the influx of weapons into our schools. Again the "Internet" along with street merchants are being blamed for the ease and availability of deadly weapons.

Camera again pans a table with piles of cheep crap. (where is Rosie O, the K-mart weapons dealer associate LMAO)

Get ready here we go again. Just wait and see if the new laws banning evil assault knives goes through, then all the kitchen stores have to pool together to repeal it so they can sell their peaceful touchy feelie environmentally friendly Chef's knives and pretty tableware. Never admitting 95% of all stabbing are with regular household kitchen knives.

WHAT a #$$%^ JOKE

It's so sad and predictable... The Liberals have taken control This is so depressing.... I think I'll go back and stuff my head into the sand again and pretend it will just go away.

There are just to many battles to fight in this erosion of rights. I feel like giving up.

Bumming in NH (as MA laws ooze accross the state line)


 
Hey just be glad they dont make us register knives like guns.

Anyway I make knives so I have a good supply

Knifesmith
 
There's a thread on this over in the general forum too.

The best way we can protect ourselves is to join AKTI. They've successfully "blunted" (pun intended) similar efforts in California.



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oh for the love of god- JUST DROP IT! if they're illegal then there's most likely going to be a higher demand. apparently government is no longer, and hasn't been, made up of the people.

It's the kind of people like Rosie O'Donnel and Oprah who think you can run a few miles to get people to not use guns and knives, which they have labeled with a big fat stamp: DANGEROUS. I like to call these people O-ASMATS (Oprah/O'donnel Army of Soccer Mom's Against Truth and Society).
 
Chuck... The Link to the AKTI Link did not work the 2 times I tried it today..... Worked the 3rd time.. Guess your post has swamped their server for folks swarming to sign up
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Err Um... Mr. "Howdey" I felt a little animosity in your post... Do you have a Problem with me? I did not see any smilies so I figure you are serious. If you read most of my posts MOST of them are written in a humorous tone. I was trying to point out how stupid and transparent the NEWS is on this subject by their panic
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And FYI some of my Knives ARE precious. (or I'm hoping so, along with a pile of others here)

Let's try to at least be polite.
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If there were a way to prevent every unconstitutional law than the govt. would be 85% less corupt. You are not supposed to have your SS number used as ID but even the govt. does it. You are not supposed to have your right to bear arms infringed but it is, income tax was supposed to be a temporary situation but never got revoked. There are so many govt rules and regulations that screw the common man it's not funny. It's easy for Hollywood big wigs to be anti-weapon because they have BODYGUARDS. The anti-weapon policy prevents the common man from having protection.

Seriously, did you EVER hear any mention of knives being used in the numerous school massacres? I never did. Everything gets lumped in when liberals get involved. One of the shootings had a kid with a .22 rifle and the media ran news reports of why we should ban assault rifles. I don't think ANY of the school shooters used assault rifles, I believe they used hunting style weapons.

To show people's ignorance, go to walmart and try to buy 5 cans of spray paint. THEY ID YOU! My dad even got ID'd for spray paint.

The man who would trade certain freedoms for safety, deserves, nor gets either.
 
Darth -

I don't mean to single you out, but...

Say a cop thinks you stole something without probable cause, having zero proof. Is it okay if he pokes around your house, taking whatever he wants because he thinks it may relate to the item you 'stole'? Then he decides to lock you up for a couple years without trial, and with an outrageous bail of six million dollars, that he knows you would have no way of being able to pay. Amazing, he just violated a number of your amendment rights, including the fourth, sixth, and eighth. If you think this isn't fair, then why are you fine with the government taking away your second amendment rights?

Would you also like to be able to vote someday? What if that right was just taken from you? Hey, then you'd feel just like a convict, wouldn't you?

I only say these things because from the sound of your post, it seems like you're okay with getting your rights taken away from you.

I know it doesn't sound very important, but it's really just the beginning. The government is always looking for ways to regulate and control us. I'm not saying that all of it is bad, but would it kill to let us keep some freedoms? If it was legal to conceal weapons, wouldn't crime rates go down? Criminals would have to think twice about breaking the law; anyone could own and carry a gun or knife, making it harder for criminals to commit crimes.

I'm not opposed to gun laws, but come on.. some of them are unnecessary. Unnecessary laws cost tax payers unnecessary tax dollars.

If certain knives do become illegal, why would there be a higher demand for them? You wouldn't be able to carry them, which pretty much restricts them to use only in the home. Maybe you're talking about collectors, but I doubt the average Joe/Jane, wanting a certain banned knife, would be able to easily obtain one without tons of hassle. And why bother, anyway - he/she wouldn't get to bring it out anywhere, remember? It'd be illegal!

Again, Darth, I am not trying to critisize you for your comment; I feel that it is important to share what you think. Besides, you have the freedom of speech, at least according to the first amendment... if that even means anything to you.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JohnInNH:
Err Um... Mr. "Howdey" I felt a little animosity in your post... Do you have a Problem with me? I did not see any smilies so I figure you are serious. If you read most of my posts MOST of them are written in a humorous tone. I was trying to point out how stupid and transparent the NEWS is on this subject by their panic
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And FYI some of my Knives ARE precious. (or I'm hoping so, along with a pile of others here)

Let's try to at least be polite.
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Just relax, smoke a blunt, go to a harem, turn off Rush, or something :-) You just sound a little high strung is all. No one, not even Oprah, is going to take away your autos or butterflys. Guns are not illegal to own (and carry) in MA, as you claim--I'm basing this from some info I got here:

http://www.powernet.net/~eich1/law/ma.html

You're just propogating hype here. Oh, and here's your little smiley face
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It's ok, dont take anything personal, it's just a forum.

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"Wow, BOB, Wow!" - the Arm
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[This message has been edited by Cpt. Howdy (edited 02-28-2001).]
 
they just ran the story on Fox News. they had all these close-ups of these OTF knives w/lighter so they looked a lot bigger than they are. um, newsflash- THE BLADES ARE 2" LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LEGAL! LEGAL! LEGAL! I own one. and another thing: the blades pop back in with some pressure.
the fact that they labeled them weapons is just laughable. utterly utterly laughable. if you were to pull one on me I'd just die laughing.

STUPID PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
kent- I was a little confused by your interpretation of my post, then I went back and read it. I was telling THEM (as in those who are against knives and things of the like) to drop it.

trust me, I am so severly against the government taking away rights. there are so damn many examples I can think of, it makes me sick. Most of them are reguarding the internet and copyright. it's all just way too f'ed up.
what's next? mandatory ID tags?
-oh wait! they already have those!! many many schools are now making students wear MANDATORY ID tags with your SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER on it! NOW WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY NEED TO KNOW YOUR SS#???!?!?!?!? they contain smart chips, allowing it to be possible to track you anywhere (when you're wearing your tag). and if you dont wear your tag or you loose it, you MUST pay $5 for a replacement or you get a detention. You know I almost want my school to have this just so I can make myself heard and understood locally.
It's just a matter of time before this is mandatory for everyone. then we'll have the mark of the beast. or is this what revalation was talking about? hmm.....

well I'm off to write an angry letter to fox news. ta ta
 
and just for the hell of it, I'll post it here:
"regaurding your story on news at 10 on knives being sold on the street, february 28, 2001:

Review your footage of this story. you will see images of knives that eject from the front of a lighter (for your information, this kind of knife is called an "Out-the-front" knife, or "OTF"). These shots are quite close up, making the blade look far longer than it really is. I personally own one of these and the blade is just 2 inches. just 2. that's legal (at least in NH). you labeled them as weapons. These knives, from the standpoint of one who is familiar with what a weapon actually is, are not even close to what a weapon is. If this knife files under the definition of "weapon", then i've got some nice pens you can do some stories on.

Afterwards, you showed some pictures of some tactical folders and other knives with black handles and serrated blades. These were also labeled as "weapons". True they can be used as weapons, but serrated blades truly have little use in a combat situation. Among this, finding a large folding knife that can be deployed automatically is quite a task; one that couldn't be performed by someone under 18 buying from a street vendor, as your story targeted. Street vendors rarely, if ever, have any expensive knives (and only the expensive ones are automatic).

Suggestions that may be run in other stories (or ones that I just didn't catch) would be that knives are used maliciously. Is taking away or making more difficult the acquiring of a knife in any way beneficial to those members of society who use theirs to just plain cut rope or open packages? Will having a knife at your side be of any aid when you are stuck in the unlikely situation of being attacked? Will the mace on your keychain be used to attack or to defend?

Necessity is only realized by those who have knowledge through experience.

my angst is not aimed fully towards you (You do run a great, informative news program) but towards the government. They have, and still are, slowly removing our right to bear arms- and tools. I ask you to suggest less and provide more information; make available more than one point of view. I understand that it is difficult to make a story and run with it in a short period of time, but when writing them do try to see things from more angles than those the camera can capture.

It's news, not entertainment. We've got the national enquirer for that"
 
I just realized why you saw what you saw on Fox TV. Did you hear the news story, about a week ago, concerning two teenagers who were apprehended by a deputy? The two kids had purchased some knives (probably of the illegal nature) at some online web store and used them to murder two College professors. At least that's what was reported in the news. And those kids probably frequented these forums as well (yuck!). Man, we better make sure little_chaozu(sp?) understands by now *not* bring the bali to school
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All this stuff about being able to purchase illegal knives (and have em shipped to you out of state) online is not necessarily new. But it does provide for some juice news stories, when the opportunity arises.

So, don't get so winded about seeing that story on the TV. I doubt it's gonna call for knife reform anytime soon (did Columbine craete a total gun-reform in Colorado?)

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"Wow, BOB, Wow!" - the Arm
http://www.firewalkwithme.org
 
Lets get one thing clear, politics is a buisness. The only reason that anything is illegal is that some politician somewere figuered out how to make money off of it being illegal. At lest thats the way it is in the USA. Sad but true. I am going to put up my own website when I find time. I'm sure that there will be a few pages of essay's on this topic. I'll keep you posted.

Whats that, crazy am I? Here is an example. In fairfax county VA, it is illegal for you to sleep in any room but your bed room!!! I am not making this up! It was put on the books in the past month! Why was it done? Money. Slum-lord politions
got mad because some one would rent an appartment and then move in a bunch of extended family insted of renting a second appartment!!!!!!! To those politions I say that they can role that peace of legislation up and they can .......(Use your imagination, then add the word "repeatedly" at the end!)
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Wonder how my "red flags" on gov computers that caused.
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Think I just got my name added to a few more gov lists as well!
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Sorry if I offended anyone, well other than the politions that is.

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"Just relax, smoke a blunt, go to a harem, turn off Rush, or something :-) You just sound a little high strung is all. No one, not even Oprah, is going to take away your autos or butterflys. Guns are not illegal to own (and carry) in MA, as you claim--I'm basing this from some info I got here:

http://www.powernet.net/~eich1/law/ma.html
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Well... You are wrong. It *IS* illegal (now) for me to carry in MA. I USED to have a "Permit to Carry" for 20 years in MA The last 3 Permits (15 years) I had "Personal Protection" as one of the reasons for issue on my license If you are in MA you may understand how difficult that is to get.

Now that I am in NH I have lost the ability to carry for protection in MA. Read the law you so nicely hyper-linked for us. There is no provision for a non resident to carry for protection (concealed carry).

It makes it a little difficult to follow the West Springfield's cop's advise he made to me while making my weekly delivery for my company.

"Do you have a license to carry", "yes" I replied. He then said "Well, I suggest you bring your gun with you when you come here from now on."

Now I can't. I now have been denied the right to defend myself. THAT is a crime.

In regard to your comment about laws in Colorado... YES they have been affected. The law for concealed carry license was a shoe in, all set to pass... Bingo.. no chance now. All they now have is a pile of proposed ridicules laws clogging up the system. Colorado had been "Californicated" over the years. I remember when it was routine to see a pistol on someone's hip at the 7-11 while they stopped in to pickup a hot dog and a 6 pack of 3.2 beer. Times are changing...

Go back and read the famous "Additional Provisions for Boston" in the MA law... and look at your own state in regard to "Assault" weapons. If you had a FN-Fal ($$) I bet you comments on confiscation and registration would be a little different. These knee jerk Laws erode our personal rights.

And, finally for the record I don't smoke, take illegal drugs, or even drink. Your comment of "smoke a blunt" is offensive. Maybe YOU smoke POT and think it's cool, but I don't.

Maybe I'm just getting to old and find comments like yours ofensive. Why are you here? This is a pro knife comunity.

Please excuse the non Bali post.
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And, finally for the record I don't smoke, take illegal drugs, or even drink. Your comment of "smoke a blunt" is offensive. Maybe YOU smoke POT and think it's cool, but I don't.
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Well, maybe if you did smoke it, you'd realize there's more important things to worry about (like rights to smoke marijuana). And I appologeize about my lack of knowledge with gun laws in your state. I am actually not to fond of guns and get a kick out of people who get streamed over anti-assault weapon laws. Owning a handgun is one thing, crying about an ak47 or mac10 is another.

So you don't do pot, fine. So instead try yoga. Might help.
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If you want to talk more about your gun beliefs and smoking pot, lets take it to the 'anything goes' forums.



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"Wow, BOB, Wow!" - the Arm
http://www.firewalkwithme.org
 
As far as a 2" blade not being a weapon- There are a number of major arteries and veins that lie less than a 1/4" under the skin and are only covered by soft tissue. The guy at the morgue doing the autopsies uses a scalpel that has a blade less than 1/2" long and he can and does dismember human bodies. A box cutter with a 1" razor blade is the preferred weapon of choice for any number of gangsters. ANY sharp insturment will cut flesh deep, wide, and continuous! Don't ever lull yourself into thinking someone with only a 2" blade cannot end your life. I'm not wanting to argue, just stating facts. If you ever get the chance you need to see the police training video "Surviving Edged Weapons", it'll forever change your outlook about sharp objects!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by Dawkind (edited 03-01-2001).]
 
You go D!

Another big ole smilie...
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"Catch you on the flip side"!
 
yeah, but if they pull out a 2 incher and I pull out two bali's, who's going to be more likely to win?
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this is, of course, assuming the attacker wouldn't have much training.

And reguardless of what the laws are, gangs (malicious ones) can and still find more weapons that in the end would just be more brutal and painful.
you watch; soon they'll redefine what a "gang" is and you wont be able to hang out with your friends (more than three).
 
Hate to be a "butt-insky" but Mr. Darth, in bladed warfare shouldn't you always ASSUME that the attacker, whom has issued a blade against your life, be very experienced in his ploy?

As all the girls tell me...size doesn't matter!
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Just trying to keep it fun!

For a size comparision...if one were to wear a kevlar vest, he would most likely hate it to he!! if he were shot by a 22LR. (Small round but a person in the Know might be aware that it will penetrate the fiber)!

Experience is what matters! Ya'll be safe!


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"Catch you on the flip side"!
 
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