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From the Los Angeles Times

Britain moves to curb rise in knife violence

In London alone, 85 people were fatally stabbed last year. The Labor government, under fire from Conservatives, puts forward a zero-tolerance policy.

By Henry Chu

January 5, 2009

Reporting from London — Nabeer Bakurally's short life came to an end on a chilly, inky night in November, on a street in East London.

The 19-year-old was out late with a friend when a group of young men attacked them, possibly after some kind of dispute. There was a lethal glint of metal, and minutes later Bakurally lay bleeding on the sidewalk, stabbed in the heart.

His death added to a grim roll call of fatal knife attacks in Britain in 2008, possibly the worst such year on record. In a country where guns are strictly controlled and shootings are much rarer than in the United States, the surge in stabbings has propelled the issue of knife crime to the top of the public safety agenda.

Like Bakurally, many of the victims have been teenagers, including Robert Knox, an aspiring actor who had won a minor role as a student wizard in the film "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" due out this year. Knox, 18, died from multiple stab wounds in May after trying to protect his younger brother from an attacker outside a bar in southern England.

The Labor government is now talking of a zero-tolerance policy for anyone caught carrying a knife, a stance with which the opposition Conservatives agree. But that has not stopped the issue from becoming a political blame game featuring accusations of lying and replays of a popular public debate over whether British society is "broken."

Last week the Conservatives released statistics that they say show a record number of fatal stabbings in England and Wales last year -- five a week, on average, or a 30% increase since Labor came to power in 1997.

"It is quite shocking to think that these numbers are the highest since they started recording these sorts of incidents back in 1977," James Brokenshire, an opposition spokesman on public safety issues, told the British Broadcasting Corp. "It does paint this picture of knife crime having increased and the measures that the government has tried to introduce not being effective."

Among those measures is a special police operation against knife crime in 10 problem areas, including London, where more than 85 people were stabbed to death last year. It empowers police to conduct spot checks and monitor how easily minors can buy knives in shops, which is illegal here.

The government has called the crackdown a success and disputes the Conservatives' figures. But it was forced to make an embarrassing public apology last month after its own statistical watchdog criticized it for releasing misleading partial figures that officials had touted as proof of a drop in knife violence. The full statistics actually revealed a rise in some knife-related offenses.

Fed up with political squabbling, activists have organized demonstrations, including a large one in London in September. They also have mounted their own campaigns to pressure officials into action and prod communities into being more watchful of the kind of activity their youths engage in.

Gangs are increasingly a fixture in blighted urban areas, and gang warfare has scared more and more Britons into retreating behind locked doors and shuttered windows. The murder conviction of a teenager in Liverpool for the death of 11-year-old Rhys Jones, who was caught in gang crossfire, made headlines last month.

"These gangs need to be smashed," said Gary Trowsdale, a spokesman for the Damilola Taylor Trust, an anti-violence group set up in the memory of a boy who was stabbed to death in 2000, days before his 11th birthday, by two boys barely older than he. "We do have a problem in our inner cities, with poverty being rife and deprivation on a scale that American inner cities have seen for some time."

If there has been a breakdown of societal values, as many Britons believe, then the media may also have had a hand in it with such glorification of violence as in the Batman movie "The Dark Knight," Trowsdale said.

Actor Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker was an artistic tour de force, but "he spent 99% of his time on-screen holding a knife. We need to think about that," Trowsdale said.

"You're a 10-year-old watching Heath Ledger . . . You watch the way he uses that knife. Then you go on Sony PlayStation and play a game . . . where you're rewarded points for stabbing somebody. You go [out] on the streets and feel threatened. What are you going to do?"

Some youths now carry bladed weapons out of fear for their safety, without malevolent intent, but that needs to be discouraged because the knives can be turned on them, Trowsdale said.

The government agrees. It is calling for punishment for anyone caught with a knife. In a nod to the British affinity for publicly shaming offenders, the sentence could take the form of community service, such as clearing graffiti, during which violators would have to wear bright orange jackets stamped with the words "community payback."

"We're not going to have knives on our streets," Prime Minister Gordon Brown said recently. "We're going to protect our young people, and we're going to stop the knife crime that has caused so much damage, so much grief and so much anguish to so many families in this country."

Laborites hope that a clampdown on knife violence will help erase some of the Conservatives' lead in the opinion polls. The government must call a general election by the middle of next year.

But reducing violence of any kind could prove tough as Britain's economic gloom deepens. In the past, downturns in the economy have usually been accompanied by a rise in crime.

"We're worried," Trowsdale said. "We're going to be ever more vigilant. This is a time for everybody to think about the consequences of what this recession might bring."

henry.chu@latimes.com

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As a young person who grew up watching violent movies and playing grand theft auto, I have not been influenced to carry a knife or kill somebody, so I hate that they have to through the movie in there to account for their crime statistics.
Im sure that we could all agree that cracking down on people with knives is not going to help, but they are going to have to get some solutions that don't require everybody to co-operate: and I can tell you, that people will still get stabbed, and people will still carry shanks.
 
Well that is disturbing they didn't even mention the sex in these films but at least they will deal with those damn knives and show that they have their finger on the pulse of the problem. Finally the gangs will disolve, children will be safe, poverty will end thus ending crime, peace will begin as people sing joyfully in the streets like a musical, and all will be well. Now pass me my my precut prechewed food so I can wrap myself in bubble wrap before bed. It's a busy day tomorrow and that nice woman in the TV wants me to exercise harder before I go to work to rewrite dictionaries and help keep us safe. God its good to know someone is watching over me and taking care of me. Hmmm. Just like heaven.
 
Once again, the UK politicians fail to grasp the concept of fighting crime.

Remove the ban on handguns and ease up on the gun control so more civilians can own and carry guns.
Last but not the least, arm all police officers instead of having special firearm teams.
 
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Years ago I had to meet with some goverment reps from London concerning protection of some items that were the subject of terrorist threats at that time. We picked them up at LaGuardia airport and transported them in a Port Authoirty Police Car which had a shotgun mounted to the Dashboard. They were amazed that officers carried a long arm. At that time, my issue service pistol was a Ruger Police service six in .357 Magnum and they could not believe that the city had 40,000 armed officers, and that we lived in such a wild country. I see that attitude has continue to develope to fear of all weapons....
 
If there has been a breakdown of societal values, as many Britons believe, then the media may also have had a hand in it with such glorification of violence as in the Batman movie "The Dark Knight," Trowsdale said.

Here we go again. It´s all the movies/games/books/random scapegoats fault!

Some youths now carry bladed weapons out of fear for their safety, without malevolent intent

Well duh, if you keep crying and raving about how dangerous the streets in the UK are, you shouldn´t be surprised if people take matters into their own hands.

but that needs to be discouraged because the knives can be turned on them, Trowsdale said

Wait a sec here. So you´re saying there are many murderous thugs out there that carry knifes, right? So to protect myself, I carry one too. And now you´re telling me that I shouldn´t because it can be turned on me? By whom, the already armed gang-member?

Common sense and basic logic are hard to come by these days in the UK it seems...
 
They also have mounted their own campaigns to pressure officials into action and prod communities into being more watchful of the kind of activity their youths engage in.
In other words to raise the public opinion that every "youth" in the country is a knife carrying gang member, with a prechant for mugging old ladies, vandalism, and other criminal activity. In the mean time also encouraging the view that anyone carrying a knife (of any kind) is carrying it to cause injury or death to other people. I can see my life may get even more difficult as a legitimate knife carrier under the age of 18. :grumpy::grumpy::grumpy::grumpy:

"You're a 10-year-old watching Heath Ledger . . . You watch the way he uses that knife. Then you go on Sony PlayStation and play a game . . . where you're rewarded points for stabbing somebody. You go [out] on the streets and feel threatened. What are you going to do?"
find safer streets? not go out? watch annother movie? slit a few more virtual throats?

Some youths now carry bladed weapons out of fear for their safety, without malevolent intent, but that needs to be discouraged because the knives can be turned on them, Trowsdale said.
Nice to know they identify the risks. shame they haven't spotted that the only people likely (acording to them) to not be carrying thier own knife are law abiding citizens, and the rising numbers of youths in certain cites (birmingham and newcastle/liverpool are two IRRC) where there are allegedly gangs who routinely carry firearms. in which case you probably deserve having the knife turned on you, you shouldn't be pointing it at people.
Laborites hope that a clampdown on knife violence will help erase some of the Conservatives' lead in the opinion polls. The government must call a general election by the middle of next year.
Ahh the eternal power struggle. notice how it's youth criminals who are constantly being picked out? how it's teenagers who are considered to be allmost entirely criminals? might that be becasue unlike any other group, we can't vote for the opposition?

As a young person who grew up watching violent movies and playing grand theft auto, I have not been influenced to carry a knife or kill somebody, so I hate that they have to through the movie in there to account for their crime statistics.

I agree, the movies never "inspired" me to carry a knife. as a teenager I carry a knife everywhere, does this make me a bad person? because I'm going to have great trouble using a swisscard as a weapon.
I sometimes carry a sheath knife, and a leatherman (on scout camp). If carrying a small folder or a steak knife would make me either a scared young teen, or a gang member who is only criminal because society made me that way, what must I be (by current logic, which ignores legitimate use of a knife) a HOMICIDAL MANIAC?

Last but not the least, arm all police officers instead of having special firearm teams.

To be honest, I'm not sure that would have much of an effect on knife crime. if your a criminal carying a knife then getting caught by a police officer with their pepper spray/CS gas is not going to end well should you choose to resist, and if you don't resist then it makes no difference if the police carry assault rifles, automatic hand guns and grenades, or nothing but rubber chickens and tissue paper.

sorry for all the vitriol, I'm having a bit of a bad day, and this article hasn't enjoyed my mood one jot. friday should be 'fun', we have a policeman coming to give us a talk about knives at scouts. so I'm likely to get told more of this rubbish then: "all knives are bad"
 
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In London alone, 85 people were fatally stabbed last year. The Labor government, under fire from Conservatives, puts forward a zero-tolerance policy.

They think that's a crisis? Hell, in NYC we had 501 murders last year and that's a record low murder rate for us.

If they want to stop "knife crime" :barf: in the U.K. they need to double or triple the penalty for any crime when a lethal weapon is used. There's a historical precedent for this. In Europe during the middle ages if you comitted a crime at night you would be punished much more severely than if you had comitted the same crime during the day. Cities were considered safe back then, it was the countryside that was very dangerous.

The idiot politicians of the U.K. need to realize that unless they start giving the death penalty for knife possession they aren't going to stop people from carrying knives. And of course no civilized Western country is going to do that.

Why should a gang member who is willing to commit robbery/rape/murder etc care about the small penalty for knife possession? Prosecuting people who are carrying knives for self-defense won't work either. Would you rather be in jail for a few months or dead?
 
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Wait a sec here. So you´re saying there are many murderous thugs out there that carry knifes, right? So to protect myself, I carry one too. And now you´re telling me that I shouldn´t because it can be turned on me? By whom, the already armed gang-member?

Common sense and basic logic are hard to come by these days in the UK it seems...

They don't want people to defend themselves. It undermines the authority and legitimacy of their nanny-state. And we are seeing more and more of this mentality in the U.S.
 
It is typical. Always easier to blame an object than the criminal. You see, these days if you blame a criminal for their actions, then you are not "sensitive" to their problems.
 
There's a historical precedent for this. In Europe during the middle ages if you comitted a crime at night you would be punished much more severely than if you had comitted the same crime during the day.

Actually, that is still the case, at least where I live. A burglary at night carries a higher sentence than a burglary during the day. I know this because I had to get an accurate time for nightfall for a case I worked on a couple of years ago.
 
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