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Next gun purchase/acquisition C&R License and a Mosin Nagant
- Thread starter Smash05
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Hi,
I've owned close to a dozen of them over the last couple of years. I still have 4 ex-snipers, an M38 and M44 and a Finn M39. They are about as cheap a full powered rifle as you can get for around a $100. As Sid Post said, I also probably wouldn't bother with a C&R for just one or two guns. There is a lot of paper work and possibly intrusive government inspections involved.
As far as rifles themselves go, they are very interesting to study and shoot. Accuracy will run from about 3" to 6" at about 100 meters. Remember, they are battle rifles, not Palma Match rifles. A word of caution, they were generally sighted in with the bayonet mounted. So when you shoot them with out the bayonet, they often print 3" to 10" to the left. And they all shoot high. As much as a foot or more. Build quality ranges from pretty good finish to the "looks like it was bashed out with a rock" of "42's and '43's. Most were made by Izhevsk though Tula's are also around.
What to look for. Bore condition is everything. Look for strong, sharp rifling. Dark bores may shoot just fine, but the only way to know is to try it. Don't be concerned about seeing a counter-bored muzzle. this was done during refurbishment to restore accuracy.
And speaking of refurbishment, virtually every single imported Mosin is a refurb. After the war, the Soviets embarked on a program to refurbish and then store all their rifles. This was done as much out of paranoia as it was a make work program for people. Since every rifle was totally disassembled and the parts tossed into bins and then inspected and reassembled into rifles, they were also re-serialized to match. So there are very, very, few non forced matched rifles in this country.
Biggest problem people have with shooting Mosin's is "sticky bolt". Some rifles don't tolerate the lacquer coated surplus machine gun ammo that is available today. It can literally take a mallet to pound the bolt open after firing a round. It's considered to be caused by harden lacquer and cosmoline build up in the chamber. An electric drill and a worn out brass 20ga brush and solvent will eventually clean most chambers up. But some rifles just never put up with the lacquer coated stuff. And ALL surplus ammo IS CORROSIVE. Clean accordingly and as soon as you are done shooting. Modern commercial stuff isn't though.
This is just a short over view of a most fascinating rifle. I say get one. You will enjoy shooting it.
dalee
I've owned close to a dozen of them over the last couple of years. I still have 4 ex-snipers, an M38 and M44 and a Finn M39. They are about as cheap a full powered rifle as you can get for around a $100. As Sid Post said, I also probably wouldn't bother with a C&R for just one or two guns. There is a lot of paper work and possibly intrusive government inspections involved.
As far as rifles themselves go, they are very interesting to study and shoot. Accuracy will run from about 3" to 6" at about 100 meters. Remember, they are battle rifles, not Palma Match rifles. A word of caution, they were generally sighted in with the bayonet mounted. So when you shoot them with out the bayonet, they often print 3" to 10" to the left. And they all shoot high. As much as a foot or more. Build quality ranges from pretty good finish to the "looks like it was bashed out with a rock" of "42's and '43's. Most were made by Izhevsk though Tula's are also around.
What to look for. Bore condition is everything. Look for strong, sharp rifling. Dark bores may shoot just fine, but the only way to know is to try it. Don't be concerned about seeing a counter-bored muzzle. this was done during refurbishment to restore accuracy.
And speaking of refurbishment, virtually every single imported Mosin is a refurb. After the war, the Soviets embarked on a program to refurbish and then store all their rifles. This was done as much out of paranoia as it was a make work program for people. Since every rifle was totally disassembled and the parts tossed into bins and then inspected and reassembled into rifles, they were also re-serialized to match. So there are very, very, few non forced matched rifles in this country.
Biggest problem people have with shooting Mosin's is "sticky bolt". Some rifles don't tolerate the lacquer coated surplus machine gun ammo that is available today. It can literally take a mallet to pound the bolt open after firing a round. It's considered to be caused by harden lacquer and cosmoline build up in the chamber. An electric drill and a worn out brass 20ga brush and solvent will eventually clean most chambers up. But some rifles just never put up with the lacquer coated stuff. And ALL surplus ammo IS CORROSIVE. Clean accordingly and as soon as you are done shooting. Modern commercial stuff isn't though.
This is just a short over view of a most fascinating rifle. I say get one. You will enjoy shooting it.
dalee
I've got 7 of them my self, all different makes/models including a finnish nagant and a PU sniper.
BTW, if the bayonet is really tight going on DO NOT force it on. It will go on but you will have to cut it off. I got one stuck on a laminate 91/30 once and nothing I had would get it off. Those bayonets were made to go on and be left on, the general policy was that the bayonets were fixed on the rifles, and left that way all the time! The only time they were made to remove them is if they were being transported in a closed top truck/car.
There fun but there one of those guns that you will get board of QUICK.
May I suggest saving alittle extra and getting something like a swiss K31? The k31 runs about $200 but they are true quality firearms. I have 3 of these.
2 have the same bolt diameter stamped on the bolts, the 3rd is a older k31 and its bolt diameter is .02 larger than the other two, its bolt will not fit in the two newer k31's recievers. They are the swiss watch of rifles. I heard several years ago that if these guns were reproduced today it would cost the company over $2000 each to make them.
They are banned in some service rifle competitions because of there accuracy, I could not shoot mine when I bought my first one, I had to go back to a garand. They told me it was like letting somebody shoot a competition rifle.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=190879889
BTW, if the bayonet is really tight going on DO NOT force it on. It will go on but you will have to cut it off. I got one stuck on a laminate 91/30 once and nothing I had would get it off. Those bayonets were made to go on and be left on, the general policy was that the bayonets were fixed on the rifles, and left that way all the time! The only time they were made to remove them is if they were being transported in a closed top truck/car.
There fun but there one of those guns that you will get board of QUICK.
May I suggest saving alittle extra and getting something like a swiss K31? The k31 runs about $200 but they are true quality firearms. I have 3 of these.
2 have the same bolt diameter stamped on the bolts, the 3rd is a older k31 and its bolt diameter is .02 larger than the other two, its bolt will not fit in the two newer k31's recievers. They are the swiss watch of rifles. I heard several years ago that if these guns were reproduced today it would cost the company over $2000 each to make them.
They are banned in some service rifle competitions because of there accuracy, I could not shoot mine when I bought my first one, I had to go back to a garand. They told me it was like letting somebody shoot a competition rifle.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=190879889
I have a 91/30 and it is just a blast to shoot. It's primary targets are old tv's, bowling balls, bowling pins, cars, propane tanks and pretty much anything else we feel like putting holes in without burning a hole in our pockets for ammo. My friend uses his 44 for boar hunting down in Texas.
You do know that with a C&R they have a right to come in to your house and "inspect you". Audits have been increasing lately and if your bound book is not right you could be screwing the pooch on this one.
C&R's are not treated like "kitchen table" FFL's based on my experience. C&R's can be audited at the ATF office if they want. Normal FFL's are on-site only (of course who in there right mind wants to hauls 200+ rifles to the ATF office for a compliance check anyway?).
Bound books aren't that hard to keep straight either. Especially when C&R's aren't transferring very many rifles in any given year.