Next Suspect T-shirt

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Guys,

Just brainstorming, but on our next shirt I would sure like to see some kind of memorial to our brothers and sisters that were slaughtered on Tuesday. Then, maybe, we could all pay a little extra for the shirts, with that amount also going into the fund the Seth was talking about setting up.

One more thing guys, not really related. The impact of this on our financial markets and economy could be tremendous. It is possible this act could trigger a global recession, possibly a depression. We need to show faith in this economy. When the markets open on Monday Janice and I will be putting a little extra money into our stock funds to help prop up the market. I would encourage anyone who has the abilty to do the same, and help boost the overall confidence of the market.
 
I've not taken any steps to set up a 'special fund'. I'm just making the donations in the name of "Emerson Forum Members". Anyone who wants to donate privately is welcome to use that handle as well.

-Seth
 
Guys,
My buddy was on the 80th floor when the first plane hit, he got out ok. But he said that on his way down he passed at least 100-125 firemen going up in full gear carrying oxygen, etc. Ten minutes later, the building went down, there is no way these men got out. These are some of the true American heroes, not ballplayers,movie stars, or rock stars.
Retribution must be quick,deadly, and complete.

Dave
 
I suggest including some of the following as posibilites, the American Flag, WTC, 9/11, God Bless America. We need someone with artistic talent to put something together.-Dick
 
Just my thoughts on this guys.

We need to be careful making a commerative T-Shirt for this act of Terrorism, even though we are doing it as am a act of respect and rememberance.

My only concern is this. We are all here bacause of our love of knives. The T-Shirt wil no doubt have some reference to that fact (even if it's just the Usual Suspects' logo). This together with the fact that we are referring to the events of the last week and the fact that the planes were hijacked (as far as we know) with terrorists with knives leaves us in a situation where we may be criticised. Just my own thoughts, feel free to flame me now !

As a side issue, why not have a T-Shirt made up now to mark our feelings, something like a 'special issue' if you see what I mean. You could have a giant US Flag across the front with a pic of the World Trade Centre superimposed on it, with something like 'Never Forgive, Never Forget !' underneath.

What do you think ?
 
I'm in.BTW when a fireman dies his company usally sells t shirts with the line of duty death on it along with the date and the company he worked for ( engine 9, truck 132 ect).All the money goes to his family.

With this many dead,and all that is still going on I'm sure it may be awhile,but I will let anyone know who is interested.You may also want to check www.firehouse.com for the latest news.

Ok found info on shirts being sold to benifit the families of the FF and LEO'S. www.nyfirestore.com click on wtc memorial shirts.

God Bless.Larry
 
Originally posted by dd1967
My only concern is this. We are all here bacause of our love of knives. The T-Shirt wil no doubt have some reference to that fact (even if it's just the Usual Suspects' logo). This together with the fact that we are referring to the events of the last week and the fact that the planes were hijacked (as far as we know) with terrorists with knives leaves us in a situation where we may be criticised. Just my own thoughts, feel free to flame me now !

No flames at all. You are, of course, correct. Yet, that is a major part of the problem with how we deal with things over here. People would immediately key onto the "fact," that only exists in their minds, that these criminals used anything resembling something we would carry.

We have two descriptions, "boxcutters" and from Barbara Olson's cell phone call, "knife-like instruments."

She was an Attorney, I believe she was speaking very technically as an Attorney would. Had they been knives proper, I think she would have said so.

The fact that these criminals knew they could not achieve their goals with firearms and/or explosives is a testament to how good our Airport Security is. Not that they could never do it, but that they could not get firearms and/or explosives on reliably. They had to resort to something else.

In the hysteria, it is being forgotten, the reason they used the types of "knives" that they did is because again, they could not reliably get a suitable folder on the plane.

In other words, they left nothing to chance.

I watched George Bush yesterday speak about first hand accounts of passengers on one flight who spoke about a couple/few women on one flight who were tied up and had their throats cut by the terrorists. And he rightly called this "barbaric."

A fixed blade, folder, switchblade, gravity knife, whatever you or anyone else can dream up does not immediately equal barbarism. It is the murderous heart of the criminal that controls the hand, always... Always.

And we never, ever address that as a People.

They are literally confiscating nail clippers over here now. I hear that when you open your napkin on a First Class Flight, there will be a metal spoon and fork and a plastic knife. Imagine that. Imagine the empty-headed symbolism of that. You can kill someone with a metal fork (I have a picture of just that) and you can kill someone with a metal spoon. Imagine further the symbolism of a plastic knife, that's a non-metallic knife...

We consistently, as a people, ignore the important things and focus on the easy things that are meaningless. The thought that a terrorist group who can drop $50,000.00 on two of these people to receive a Commercial Pilot Rating, that we can somehow stop them with meaningless, symbolic legislation...is so absurd that I sit here in amazement still that we would even do these things.

Yet, the vast majority of people go along with it.

The hard thing to do is to face reality. The reality of it is, these people have spent a long time establishing themselves as a part of our country, in the individual communities they lived in.

The reality is, at least one of them entered the country and then applied for a Student Visa, and the "student" part was to learn and be trained how to pilot commercial aircraft.

The hard thing is to round up all illegals, cross check the database, if they are associated with terrorist groups, hold them and try them. If they are not, you eject them from this country.

The hard thing to do is to immediately revoke all Business Visas and Student Visas, round these people up and hold them like the other group, keep the ones with the terrorist links and eject the rest.

The fact that they had to use these sorts of weapons is not a weakness, it is a testament to the strength of the system we have. And it is a testament to the fact that we have been far too kind to every sort of riff-raff entering this country.

They used our weakness against us, our kindness and generosity as a Nation. And anything meaningful used to reinforce our security would be called "racist" or "intolerant," as if someone has a "right" to a Business Visa or a Student Visa...

And so it goes...just heard on the news, they have expanded the list of banned carry-on items to include; cigarette lighters, tweezers, nail files and scissors...juice bottles and open containers of water...

I won't be flying anymore.
 
I think what they fear is the use of a clear, flammable liquid like isopropyl alcohol. It is on the list now though...

What I just heard is, officially, the Airline Association, I'm looking for a Press Release, has changed their policy with regard to advising pilots to advise passengers not to resist hijackers.

A breath of fresh air, too bad the FAA has left us with little or nothing to fight with. Use your fork with extreme prejudice. :rolleyes:

Here we see a reversal of logic, isn't life grand?
 
• Aircraft cockpits are equipped with a crash ax, which should be considered a potential defensive weapon if there is a suicidal hijacking. The ax should only be wielded if the crew member is convinced that using it is necessary to save lives. The pilot must be prepared to kill a cockpit intruder.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/metro/crime/A38377-2001Sep15.html

I just heard it on the news again, they are urging the pilots to encourage passengers to actively fight hijackers. Interesting, no?
 
It is the murderous heart of the criminal that controls the hand, always... Always.

You are completely on the money here Don! Far too often the tools are somehow blamed for the crime...people see the weapon as the threat and not the hands and mind wielding it...

As many have said - we are busy disarming law abiding citizens of anything they might use in defense while the criminals, who obviously could care less about the law anyway, are arming themselves. This is wrong. I have always considered myself a moderate in many things, but the despicable attacks in the US last week and much of the fallout since - both in North America and here has been changing my stand on many things.

Dangerous times are coming...prepare yourselves and be strong.

Those who gave their lives trying to save others are indeed the true heroes here - let's make sure that their deaths do not go unpunished.

As for the shirt, my one suggestion is: keep it simple. A simple image with a strong, simple message that lets everyone know what the usual suspects think/feel about this.

I remain here in Kosovo with my Commander in one pocket and CQC-7 in the other, investigating possible "connections" between bin Laden and the Kosovo Libertion Army... The world is working to solve this one and I am glad to be able to do something, even from here.

Strength, Suspects...

Kirk
 
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