Nightmare Experience with Lionsteel Warranty Claim

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The title sums it up pretty well. Here are the details:

On March 28, I sent an email to Lionsteel (info@lionsteel.it) asking about the warranty process for a TiSpine that had developed some minor lock rock due to lockbar wear. Gianni responded the next day telling me to send it in to them for repair. So far so good. I looked up the cost of shipping however, and shipping from the States to Italy costs between $50 and $100, depending on the method, which is prohibitively expensive (at least for me). I asked them if there was a US address I could send it to and Gianni said to send it to DPX Gear, who would forward the knife to them, and the warranty process would happen as usual.

Took me a couple weeks to get around to sending it in, but I finally got around to it on April 13. This is where things started to get frustrating. I replied to our previous email thread informing Gianni of my shipment and provided a FedEx tracking number. Waited 2 days with no response, so I bumped the thread. Still nothing. Gave them the benefit of the doubt, and waited another couple of days. Got confirmation of delivery on the 19th, so I emailed again in a separate thread, thinking that the old one might have gotten lost due to age. Still nothing. Sent another email on the 20th, and again no response.

I finally got fed up and called them on the 22nd (had to be up at 4am because of the time difference). I finally got a response out of them and we started a new email thread. I was informed that DPX only forwards packages once a month to save cost, and was told to provide an address for return shipment. Fine with me, since I did save a ton of money by not sending it directly. That was the last I've heard from them. I sent them an email May 9th trying to change my return address, since I moved this week, and sent 2 more emails afterwards trying to get a status update, with absolutely no response.

Now I understand that international warranty work takes time, and I'm fine waiting. What I'm not fine with is not being told how long the process will take, or being able to receive timely updates without waking up in the middle of the night to make an international call. That's unacceptable. I actually really like my TiSpine and was considering getting a TRE at one point, but this whole experience is seriously turning me off to the brand. I'm posting on the forums now because it seems like Gianni is much more active here than handling his own warranty claims. I await my response.
 
Finally got a response this morning saying that my knife is ready to ship. I guess this is resolved for me, but I still went over a month without any form of communication on my warranty claim. That's really a big issue that needs to be addressed and will inform my future purchases.

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If you didn't want to wait you should of mailed it directly
My issue was never with the waiting. That was fully expected. My issue is that they only updated me once after I had shipped the knife, and that was only after I called them at 4am. Not responding to multiple emails over the course of an entire month is not a good way to handle warranty claims.
 
For warranty service must email
service @ lionsteel.it

Without space.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm pretty sure the website used to direct people to info @ lionsteel, but I see it's been updated. Hopefully that new email helps you improve your turnaround time.
 
This is the USPS price.... 8 oz to Italy

First-Class Package International Service™
Expected Delivery Date Varies by destination
Total
$13.50

Priority Mail International® Small Flat Rate Box**More info about Priority Mail International® Small Flat Rate Box
Value of contents can not exceed $400.00
USPS-Produced Box: 8-5/8" x 5-3/8" x 1-5/8"
Maximum weight 4 pounds.
6 - 10 business days to many major markets1,2
$33.95
 
Respectfully, it is way past time for LS to establish a service center in the U.S.

I would not want to repeat my own experience in sending my TRE back to Italy to make it work correctly.
 
I just purchased my very first LionSTEEL knife. I doubt I will ever have a need for warranty service, but if I did I would ship directly (probably snail mail) and just wait and see what happens. I would expect things to be pretty slow in terms of a warranty claim. I also feel they should ship back the same way (speed) as you ship to them.
 
This is the USPS price.... 8 oz to Italy

First-Class Package International Service™
Expected Delivery Date Varies by destination
Total
$13.50

Priority Mail International® Small Flat Rate Box**More info about Priority Mail International® Small Flat Rate Box
Value of contents can not exceed $400.00
USPS-Produced Box: 8-5/8" x 5-3/8" x 1-5/8"
Maximum weight 4 pounds.
6 - 10 business days to many major markets1,2
$33.95
They request you send it via UPS, DHL, or FedEx. I looked into USPS but they can't track it or something.

Figuring all this out is one of the reasons it took me so long to ship out in the first place.
 
Respectfully, it is way past time for LS to establish a service center in the U.S.

I would not want to repeat my own experience in sending my TRE back to Italy to make it work correctly.


It's the same for Europeans who buy knives from usa based knife companies.
If I sent a knife back for warranty issues I'll be hit for a second time with expensive customs when the knife is returned.
So for me the warranty for a usa based company sadly isn't something I take into account when choosing a new knife.
 
Respectfully, it is way past time for LS to establish a service center in the U.S.

I would not want to repeat my own experience in sending my TRE back to Italy to make it work correctly.

I am sure that would drive prices up. I am also pretty sure that when a knife gets shipped to Italy that the owner of said knife probably has another knife to carry while repairs are done.
I respectfully disagree with your assertion...
Russ
 
Personally, when I think of a nightmare experience, I think of a sponge getting inadvertently left in my chest during an operation and causing a septic situation, not being updated about repair of a hobby item after requesting info from the wrong email address.
Moving right along.....
Russ
 
I am sure that would drive prices up. I am also pretty sure that when a knife gets shipped to Italy that the owner of said knife probably has another knife to carry while repairs are done.
I respectfully disagree with your assertion...
Russ
The forwarding service through dpx gear is a good compromise I think, but it would be nice to have better tracking after it gets to them. I can't imagine that would astronomically more expensive.
Personally, when I think of a nightmare experience, I think of a sponge getting inadvertently left in my chest during an operation and causing a septic situation, not being updated about repair of a hobby item after requesting info from the wrong email address.
Moving right along.....
Russ
Clearly I'm being hyperbolic. I wasn't really too upset about it, but a month of no communication is somewhat unreasonable for a relatively high value product. Also as I noted before the website used to direct people to info@, and I don't think the service@ address existed. I think establishing a dedicated channel for warranty work is also a good start.
 
It's the same for Europeans who buy knives from usa based knife companies.
If I sent a knife back for warranty issues I'll be hit for a second time with expensive customs when the knife is returned.
So for me the warranty for a usa based company sadly isn't something I take into account when choosing a new knife.
It differs from country to country but here in the US there's a special exception for warranty repairs of goods which is categorized on the paperwork as "Repair and Return". This ensures that zero customs charges are incurred as it travels there and back. As far as I know this applies to goods traveling either out for non-US repair and in for US repair. I recently had to send one of my wristwatches back to Germany for warranty repair and not only did the company cover all shipping costs, they also informed me as to the exact paperwork involved. The most important thing seemed to be having a copy of the original invoice both inside and outside of the package. I just walked into a FedEx location and everything went smoothly. It only took two days to get there from here in California. They quoted me a 4-5 week wait on my repair but that only turned out to be two weeks and in another two days it was back in my hands. My point is that can't expect all companies big and small to be aware of our particular customs laws so it behooves us to research them thoroughly. There may be some important loopholes or exceptions that make the process virtually painless.
 
It differs from country to country but here in the US there's a special exception for warranty repairs of goods which is categorized on the paperwork as "Repair and Return". This ensures that zero customs charges are incurred as it travels there and back. As far as I know this applies to goods traveling either out for non-US repair and in for US repair. I recently had to send one of my wristwatches back to Germany for warranty repair and not only did the company cover all shipping costs, they also informed me as to the exact paperwork involved. The most important thing seemed to be having a copy of the original invoice both inside and outside of the package. I just walked into a FedEx location and everything went smoothly. It only took two days to get there from here in California. They quoted me a 4-5 week wait on my repair but that only turned out to be two weeks and in another two days it was back in my hands. My point is that can't expect all companies big and small to be aware of our particular customs laws so it behooves us to research them thoroughly. There may be some important loopholes or exceptions that make the process virtually painless.

Quick note of warning. When sending your package, just pay for it. Do not use a standing account.

I sent a watch back to Germany for service. All paperwork in order. Return to country of origin for service and reexport. All receipts provided. Documentation from customs and border control confirming its existing presence in the country with serial numbers. The works. Freaking Fedex ignored it all and charged my account for import duties to Germany and brokerage fees. Never had that happen before. I'm convinced it's because they had an open billing account and felt free to tack it on. Once they've paid the duty to the govt, good luck fighting to get it back for one single solitary item.

Expensive mistake. Never had a problem since.


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The warranty work got done.

Maybe a bit longer then anticipated, maybe some bad communication, but it got done.

Hardly, IMO, a "nightmarish" experience... my nightmares are far more terrifying then that, shoot, some of my best dreams are.
I slugged my ex wife once in my sleep, freaking out... she woke me up, (pissed), saying I had a nightmare...
I said, it wasn't a nightmare, it was actually pretty awesome! I was winning!
 
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