Nirvana

PiercedBill

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Any updated information on the anticipated release date on the Spyderco Rassenti Nirvana? Last I knew was maybe? by the end of the year.
 
I emailed Spyderco about the Nirvana last month, since I'm eagerly awaiting my preorder from last year. They said, between January-March 2016.
 
I'd never heard of this knife. Just Googled it. It looks amazing, but wow, is it expensive for a Spyderco. :eek:
 
I really like the knife but at that price, I'm going to have to pass on it. The specs look like the price is warranted (at least the MAP price) but I'm not looking to spend that much on a knife I wouldn't carry very often (it's too large for me to take to work).
 
Absolutely gorgeous knife...but not for me. I don't like all titanium knives...that and the price....
 
ShepardCC said:
Absolutely gorgeous knife...but not for me. I don't like all titanium knives...that and the price....
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...is the best part! A custom Nirvana costs a few thousand dollars. Thank you Spyderco for giving me the chance to own a Rassenti designed knife!
 
Spyderco Dude said:
...is the best part! A custom Nirvana costs a few thousand dollars. Thank you Spyderco for giving me the chance to own a Rassenti designed knife!
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Are you high? It's more expensive than some midtechs and it's probably made in Taiwan. I'll take a US produced small-batch like a CRK, Hinderer, or Strider over that. Hell, buy an ADV midtech for less.
 
Murdamook said:
Are you high? It's more expensive than some midtechs and it's probably made in Taiwan. I'll take a US produced small-batch like a CRK, Hinderer, or Strider over that. Hell, buy an ADV midtech for less.
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It basically will be a midtech, a nice one at that. And yes it will be made in Taichung. Their Taichung maker is phenomenal. That additional sales revenue from Taichung and other makers has allowed Spyderco to increase its Golden, CO plant by a lot. Spyderco didn't go there to save a buck on labor, they went there because they needed an established maker ready to start pumping out knives. Not to mention that maker can compete with anybody outside of complete customs in the world. They've grown smartly and competitively in a global marketplace and have increased their home operations because of it. I'd be curious to see what CRK would quote this knife if they were to make it. I'm guessing at least $650. A one piece Ti, completely milled out, with a high carbide S90V steel is no walk in the park. If you appreciate the manufacturing that goes into making this knife ( with all US materials mind you, yes Spyderco ships US sourced materials to Taichung quite a bit), then you can see this as an incredible value. If you just want a 3.5"+ folding S90V knife you can get one cheaper surely.
 
nccole said:
It basically will be a midtech, a nice one at that. And yes it will be made in Taichung. Their Taichung maker is phenomenal. That additional sales revenue from Taichung and other makers has allowed Spyderco to increase its Golden, CO plant by a lot. Spyderco didn't go there to save a buck on labor, they went there because they needed an established maker ready to start pumping out knives. Not to mention that maker can compete with anybody outside of complete customs in the world. They've grown smartly and competitively in a global marketplace and have increased their home operations because of it. I'd be curious to see what CRK would quote this knife if they were to make it. I'm guessing at least $650. A one piece Ti, completely milled out, with a high carbide S90V steel is no walk in the park. If you appreciate the manufacturing that goes into making this knife ( with all US materials mind you, yes Spyderco ships US sourced materials to Taichung quite a bit), then you can see this as an incredible value. If you just want a 3.5"+ folding S90V knife you can get one cheaper surely.
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I'm sorry, but I refuse to buy into the marketing hype that this is "basically a midtech". I understand the Taichung plant produces great knives, that's really of no consequence. It's a foreign produced knife selling for a huge amount. I wouldn't buy the Begg knife being manufactured in China either. As for "saving a buck on labor", you just completely contradicted what you had said. Spyderco farms out the construction of these knives to Taichung because they don't have the ability to cost effectively produce them in Golden. That's literally the definition of saving a buck on labor. As for the construction, Lionsteel already produces a single-piece milled titanium frame lock. As for the CRK comparison, the ability to manufacture is apples to oranges. Spyderco uses a massive factory in Taiwan and CRK uses a small facility in Idaho.

Regardless, my point was that the price on this knife is not a point of sale. I won't be buying it. If you guys want to, that's your prerogative.
 
Murdamook said:
I'm sorry, but I refuse to buy into the marketing hype that this is "basically a midtech". I understand the Taichung plant produces great knives, that's really of no consequence. It's a foreign produced knife selling for a huge amount. I wouldn't buy the Begg knife being manufactured in China either. As for "saving a buck on labor", you just completely contradicted what you had said. Spyderco farms out the construction of these knives to Taichung because they don't have the ability to cost effectively produce them in Golden. That's literally the definition of saving a buck on labor. As for the construction, Lionsteel already produces a single-piece milled titanium frame lock. As for the CRK comparison, the ability to manufacture is apples to oranges. Spyderco uses a massive factory in Taiwan and CRK uses a small facility in Idaho.

Regardless, my point was that the price on this knife is not a point of sale. I won't be buying it. If you guys want to, that's your prerogative.
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They farmed the labor out because they didn't have the ability, time, and/or cash to add on to their current facility to increase through put at the time. Think of it as renting vs. buying. They didn't have to throw down a huge initial investment. It wasn't simply to get cheap labor. China would have sufficed (as it does for the Byrd line). The makers in Taichung added an immediate established means of taking litteraly years of back logged designs and bringing them to fruition, and quickly. And their abilities are superior. Spyderco could bring the Southard to Golden for example and the price will hardly change. You could bring the Fluted Military to Taichung, and the price probably won't change much. If you do some comparisons between similar knives from Taichung and Golden, you'll realize they are similarly priced. Take the Tenacious family and move those to Golden, and those would be closer to double the price. That's because those are made in mainland China where labor is significantly cheaper. Taichung is not China, their skilled labor is compensated much better.

I don't know what your definition of mid tech is, but the F&F, and refinement on my Slysz Bowie is on par with any mid tech including CRK. I don't think the definition of Mid Tech has "manufactured in US" in it.

What you need to understand is the US isn't the most expensive place to manufacture things all the time. Also, the US isn't the absolute best at everything we do. Just because it's a "foreign" knife doesn't equate to trash or a cheap price tag. If you want to argue jobs, then realize that Taichung made Spydies has in fact brought jobs to the US. They use US steel, US G10, and other US sourced parts. Not to mention the extra jobs related to managing a global company, the extra QC at Golden, and now the extra facility in Golden that is no doubt staffed with American's.
And none of this takes into account the relationships that Sal has with these makers and the fact that Spyderco has hopefully enriched the lives of the people who have jobs in places all over the world.
 
nccole said:
They farmed the labor out because they didn't have the ability, time, and/or cash to add on to their current facility to increase through put at the time. Think of it as renting vs. buying. They didn't have to throw down a huge initial investment. It wasn't simply to get cheap labor. China would have sufficed (as it does for the Byrd line). The makers in Taichung added an immediate established means of taking litteraly years of back logged designs and bringing them to fruition, and quickly. And their abilities are superior. Spyderco could bring the Southard to Golden for example and the price will hardly change. You could bring the Fluted Military to Taichung, and the price probably won't change much. If you do some comparisons between similar knives from Taichung and Golden, you'll realize they are similarly priced. Take the Tenacious family and move those to Golden, and those would be closer to double the price. That's because those are made in mainland China where labor is significantly cheaper. Taichung is not China, their skilled labor is compensated much better.

I don't know what your definition of mid tech is, but the F&F, and refinement on my Slysz Bowie is on par with any mid tech including CRK. I don't think the definition of Mid Tech has "manufactured in US" in it.

What you need to understand is the US isn't the most expensive place to manufacture things all the time. Also, the US isn't the absolute best at everything we do. Just because it's a "foreign" knife doesn't equate to trash or a cheap price tag. If you want to argue jobs, then realize that Taichung made Spydies has in fact brought jobs to the US. They use US steel, US G10, and other US sourced parts. Not to mention the extra jobs related to managing a global company, the extra QC at Golden, and now the extra facility in Golden that is no doubt staffed with American's.
And none of this takes into account the relationships that Sal has with these makers and the fact that Spyderco has hopefully enriched the lives of the people who have jobs in places all over the world.
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You're literally arguing against points I'm not even making. I never said a midtech knife had to be produced in the states. What I am saying is that the knife is not a midtech knife and neither is a CRK for that matter. I never brought up jobs either. What I did say was that they farm the production out to a foreign country because they can't make the knife stateside and still have it remain cost effective. That point, by the way, you have done nothing but support.

Again, if you want to invest the money, then that's your choice and I'm sure you will be happy. My point, to once again reiterate, is that I won't be buying it because a 400$+ price point will never be a benefit. At this point, it seems like you're really just trying to justify your purchase when there is absolutely no need to do so.
 
While we are talking price, I have a quick question for anyone more knowledgeable and experienced than me. I did the knifeworks preorder for $390. They billed my card, then dropped it. Will I get it for that price when it is finally released???
 
Murdamook said:
You're literally arguing against points I'm not even making. I never said a midtech knife had to be produced in the states. What I am saying is that the knife is not a midtech knife and neither is a CRK for that matter. I never brought up jobs either. What I did say was that they farm the production out to a foreign country because they can't make the knife stateside and still have it remain cost effective. That point, by the way, you have done nothing but support.

Again, if you want to invest the money, then that's your choice and I'm sure you will be happy. My point, to once again reiterate, is that I won't be buying it because a 400$+ price point will never be a benefit. At this point, it seems like you're really just trying to justify your purchase when there is absolutely no need to do so.
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I clearly made the point that they chose not to make certain knives stateside not from a matter of cheaper labor, but from a matter of immediate capacity. I also made the point that they could make Taichung Spyderco's in Golden for roughly the same selling price. Those do not support the idea that they cannot cost effectively produce it in Golden. I believe based on comparisons between, with my knowledge of manufacturing, that Spyderco would be close to the same price if the Nirvana was produced in Golden. All of that goes against your ignorant reasoning that the reason they make Spydies in Taichung is simply for cheaper labor. My points do not support that.

Since I have never seen an official definition of what a mid tech is, what is your definition? The Nirvana will not be a mid tech simply because it is made by Spyderco, a medium size production company. What I claim is that you are getting the quality, F&F, and refinement that mid techs offer. You are getting out from a company you are not accustomed to seeing it from, but that doesn't mean the value is absent. The real issue goes all the way back to value, price for what you get. A true Rasenti (sorry for probably misspelling) custom cost thousands. This comparatively, with the sheer amount of technical Ti machining and higher end, harder to work steel is, even though a lot, still a value. If you love Peter's designs but can never drop $1500 on one, then this $400 Spyderco version is in fact a steal. You objected to that notion, and I disagree. Of course, these are opinions and neither one of us is wrong in our opinion.

By the way, I probably won't be buying one. Not because i don't see the value as being there, but because the design is not exactly my style. I just object to people making comments when they don't understand the whole picture. Yes, you didn't mention some of things I brought up and that is exactly my point. You haven't considered the big picture and understand enough of the global economy to see it's not just an American company out sourcing jobs to cheaper labor.
 
doug5551 said:
While we are talking price, I have a quick question for anyone more knowledgeable and experienced than me. I did the knifeworks preorder for $390. They billed my card, then dropped it. Will I get it for that price when it is finally released???
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I'm not so sure, I thought KW and some others were scrambling to fill pre-orders before the end of 2015 so they could honor the pre-map price. I would have guessed that, but them dropping the pre-orders looks bad for you. I know I pre-ordered the GB2 and they honored that price, what I don't remember is when I took delivery, 2015 out 2016.
 
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