Nitro V HT problems.

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I’ve been using Nitro V (occasionally) for years and have had great luck. This last batch of kitchen knives has me puzzled. I’ve always utilized Knife Steel Nerds ht formula with no hiccups until now. My normal ht protocol is 1900 for 15 minutes, aluminum plate quench, immediately to my freezer for 24 hours, 350 temper, 2 hrs 2x. It will give me a 62 Rockwell after temper virtually every time. This time was no different. Each blade came out at 62.0.

Fast forward to sharpening the finished blades….no matter the angle used on my Wicked Edge sharpener, there wasn’t a hint of “sharp” , just a gritty dull blade…suitable for perhaps a butter knife. Prior to this, my Nitro V blades have all been scary sharp. Very sharp blades that held an edge.

The “gritty” edge (micro chipping perhaps?) told me something went terribly wrong with the ht process or the steel may have been a less than good batch? Been using my new Evenheat oven this summer with zero issues with my preferred CPM154, nor with other steels I’ve used.

Any recommendations from the Illuminati? Puzzling.
 
I would do a coupon test and break it to see your grain structure. I wonder if you should thermo cycle for grain refinement.
 
Forgot to add: I only ground after the ht process was completed. Never had issues with warping that way.
 
Is this the only knives you have made from that batch? Is it only one knife or all from the group of blades HTed.

I know it is a silly question, but you did strop the edge after sharpening?

After stropping, look at the edge under magnification and see if the edge line looks jagged or smooth.
 
Is this the only knives you have made from that batch? Is it only one knife or all from the group of blades HTed.

I know it is a silly question, but you did strop the edge after sharpening?

After stropping, look at the edge under magnification and see if the edge line looks jagged or smooth.
I made a batch of four kitchen knives…actually paring knives. These two are the first of that batch I finished. I’m really puzzled, as I’ve been using Nitro V ever since it was introduced. Pop’s actually gave me a bar to try out from the very first batch that was sent to him way back in the day. 15 or so years ago? I have been retired for 9 years and it was way before that.

KSN suggested 1900 degrees IF freezing, 1950 if cryo. 1900 has worked well every time. The blades, either kitchen or hunting, have all turned out scary sharp, until now.

One strange thing I noticed while sharpening: this is the only stainless steel I’ve ever sharpened that the “dust” particles from the sharpening process stick to the blade, as if the steel is magnetized. CPM154, et al… just falls off. Wondering what was going on.

I don’t need magnification to see the jagged edge….its there! Took the cutting edges down to Wicked Edge’s finest grit. Basically a ceramic stone. I might try what DeadboxHero suggested and grind a hair off the cutting edge and reestablish the cutting edge.

Open to any suggestions….at a loss on this one.
 
I made a batch of four kitchen knives…actually paring knives. These two are the first of that batch I finished. I’m really puzzled, as I’ve been using Nitro V ever since it was introduced. Pop’s actually gave me a bar to try out from the very first batch that was sent to him way back in the day. 15 or so years ago? I have been retired for 9 years and it was way before that.

KSN suggested 1900 degrees IF freezing, 1950 if cryo. 1900 has worked well every time. The blades, either kitchen or hunting, have all turned out scary sharp, until now.

One strange thing I noticed while sharpening: this is the only stainless steel I’ve ever sharpened that the “dust” particles from the sharpening process stick to the blade, as if the steel is magnetized. CPM154, et al… just falls off. Wondering what was going on.

I don’t need magnification to see the jagged edge….its there! Took the cutting edges down to Wicked Edge’s finest grit. Basically a ceramic stone. I might try what DeadboxHero suggested and grind a hair off the cutting edge and reestablish the cutting edge.

Open to any suggestions….at a loss on this one.
I work with a good bit of Nitro-v and haven’t noticed any of it being magnetized like that unless I stuck it on my surface grinder which will magnetize any steel. Not doubting that it is nitro-v but just to be sure did you have the bars labeled and are sure it’s the right steel? Also Nitro-V as far as I know was introduced in 2017 so if this is material from 15 years ago or a similar timeframe it could very well be a completely different steel.
 
I work with a good bit of Nitro-v and haven’t noticed any of it being magnetized like that unless I stuck it on my surface grinder which will magnetize any steel. Not doubting that it is nitro-v but just to be sure did you have the bars labeled and are sure it’s the right steel? Also Nitro-V as far as I know was introduced in 2017 so if this is material from 15 years ago or a similar timeframe it could very well be a completely different steel.
Yeah, this was current production Nitro V. Got it from Pops this summer.
 
I recently made the mistake of heat treating 1095 like it was AEB-L...Oops! Super brittle, big grain structure, etc. It took a wicked edge, but was very chippy. What was the color at the end of the bar?
 
My first thought was massive grain growth. That would happen if it was 1095nor similar and not Nitro-V. Your description "I don’t need magnification to see the jagged edge….its there! " is also consistent with that possibility.
 
Dang….I've never bought 1095 in my life. Doesn’t mean a mistake couldn’t have been made. However, I DO idiot proof myself when picking up steel from Pops. Check the color and confirm every time. But…..not saying it couldn’t have happened . I got this W-2 from NJSB once…..🤣….another story.
 
Any carbon steel heat treated like a Stainless steel could show these issues, not just 1095!

1095 HT like AEB-L on the left (oops!), nice Magnacut on the right!
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