No age limit to order in the net?

[Chicahiro Ishida]

Some knifemaker's official pages have system to order directly.
But I found a site which has no age limit!
In Japan,knives order site have age limit to order.If under 18 years old,he needs agreement of parents.To verify,they demand a copy of identification.
But in U.S.site,they don't ask age!?
It is dengerous I think!
After some cases,Japanese knife shops voluntary ask under 18 greement of parents to buy knives.

Why I asked this problem is,I made mistake to link a knifemaker official site's page for Japanese Comic's BBS.
In a comic"GALS";by Mihona Huzii,Ribon,Syuueisya; a caracter got a knife in dark site,and I found the knife may be arrengement of a mathproduction maker's product(And fine design!).
And to introduce the imformation to fan of the comic,I wrote BBS a link to the products,forgeting it has order system.As so,the item has deleted and I have been scolded.
The comic site is for childlen,as it is not suitable to link knife order site.
After the warm,I tried to order it,but it didn't asked my age!It means if I were a child,I could order knife!


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Chic Stone

 

[e_utopia]

How would you have paid? Most sites use credit cards for payment. Since you must be 18 to sign the credit agreement, a credit card is proof of age. If you had tried to order with a check or money order, you would (should) be asked for proof of age. Shipping knives over state lines to a minor is a federal crime (99% certain on that one).

--JB

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[the4th]

Age has little bearing on responsibilty. I trust my kids and nephews (all under 10) with knives and guns that I don't trust teens or adults with.

 

[leroys_45]

the4th, you are a very wise man. I'm only 19 and thus cannot own any sort of handgun, though I'd venture to say that I know more about handguns than at least 85% of the US population. The fact remains that there is no practical way to test people for responsibility, so the age limits stand. I hate it myself, but I have nothing to offer in their place.

I'm lucky to have parents that trust me with various weapons. When I'd want a knife, firearm, or ammo I'd have to drag them along to show that I was allowed to have the stuff. It was certainly a pain, but I obey the laws to stay clean, that way when the government deems me responsible by way of a 21 year old birth certificate, I can buy and own at my liesure, if ownership is still allowed.

 

[Normark]

Hi Guys...

Lets not forget that it is a parents responsibility to know what their children are doing at all times on the net.

We cannot control if a minor takes a card without permission to purchase something online.

It's our responsibility to also find out if the person is of legal age,, but there is only so much we can do...

I've been talking knives with a fellow for awhile now. This person knows the models, knows the talk and is very polite and intelligent. It never even crossed my mind that he is only 17.Not that I'm saying 17 year olds aren't intelligent.

I don't have a problem with it,even knowing the fact that he is only 17. Seems responsible enough....

ttyle Eric...

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[unocide]

16=driver's license!!!! that's deadly enough for me!

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[dogboye]

If you're under 18 and have the means to buy a knife, you should be allowed to buy the knife. Period.

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[Mike Turber]

That is part of the reason why I had my disclaimer written by my attorney! I probably have the most extensive disclaimer of any site in the world and if you ever see one like it you can bet they copied me

Even Microtech copied my discaimer

Also after reviewing the US law extensively, we found there is no actual requirement for people to fill out a auto law form. All you have to do is prove that they have received the information. So when you order from us we have it on our invoice, return email and web site. There is no way you can buy a product from 1SKS and claim you did not see the notice. Unless of course you are Stevie Wonder

Here it is....

IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL STATUTES:
Read carefully all conditions set forth below.
By placing an order with us, you agree that you meet any or all of the following criteria.
Federal law prohibits shipment of automatic knives across state lines, with the following exceptions:
(1) to civilian or Armed Forces supply or procurement officers and employees of the Federal Government ordering, procuring, or purchasing such knives in connection with the activities of the Federal Government;
(2) to supply or procurement officers of the National Guard, the Air National guard, or militia of a state, territory or the District of Columbia ordering, procuring, or purchasing such knives in the connection with the activities of such organization;
(3) to supply or procurement officers or employees of the municipal government of the District of Columbia or the government of any State or Territory, or any county, city or other political subdivision of a State or Territory; (4) to manufacturers of such knives or bona fide dealers therein in connection with any shipment made pursuant of an order from any person designated in paragraphs (1), (2), and (3).

1 Stop Knife Shop will sell no such knives to any individual outside the State of Florida without the above conditions being met. This does not apply to automatic knives made by Microtech or STEALTH automatic knives sold within the state of Florida.

Legal status of products: It is the responsibility of the buyer, not the seller, to ascertain, and obey, all applicable local, state, federal and international laws in regard to the possession, and use, of any item purchased from 1 Stop Knife Shop. All equipment is sold subject to public law 90-351, title III, U.S.D., Section 2511, and any local, state or federal ordinances. Consult your local and state laws before ordering if you are in doubt. Absolutely no sales to minors. By placing an order, the buyer represents that the products ordered will be used in a lawful manner and that the he/she is of legal age. 1 Stop Knife Shop will not be held liable for the misuse of any product purchased from us or any of our distributors & dealers. Also as no product is 100% effective against attack, 1 Stop Knife Shop assumes no responsibility if a product purchased from us is not effective in preventing bodily injury, dismemberment or death.

ANYONE attempting to falsify information or defraud our company in any way, WILL be turned over to the proper authorities. Any attempts at extortion or entrapment will also be met with swift legal action!

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[Elvislives]

Hey Mike-

You should make a commercial and have one of those fast-talking pitch men read that thing at the end of it, like the car commercials!

Talk about CYA, your assets are well covered!

Brandon

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[Chicahiro Ishida]

e_utopia,

Thank you very much! I am peace now!
I didn't finished ordering for payment. In prosess of order form,I wasn't asked my age and couldn't find any warm that"minor can't use this order form",as I missunderstood that Japanese childlen can buy knives free.

the4th,
I agree you that " Age has little bearing on responsibilty."
It is not problem if a child get knife or gun for one's (good) parent,or on shop after face to face talk.Both case,if the child seems not responsible for arm's weight,he can diny to give the knife.
But,I felt bud if children can get arms by only click!

leroys_45,
I have an opinion "No train No arm".It is not age,but only traind and responsible.


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Chic Stone

 

[Waxes Eloquent]

I purchased my first quality bowie knife with my hard-earned money for my fifteenth birthday. (A Blackjack Anaconda II with a 10" blade, $75 back then.) By the time I turned sixteen I had several balisongs and boot knives to go with it.

These knives proved invaluable in my years in the Boy Scouts and helped me survive my leader's week-long "survival camps" where all we were permitted to bring was jerky, bedroll, water purifying tablets, and a knife or hatchet. If I was responsible enough back then with the arduous task of keeping myself alive high atop the rocky mountains with minimal equiptment, why should I not have been able to purchase a knife on my own?

I can only imagine how impossible those difficult excursions were without a nice knife. Yet from those difficult survivalist training camps I learned even greater discipline, hard work, and responsibility for myself as well as a deeper respect for others.

I can only shake my head sadly thinking that there would be those who would have deprived me of the tools I needed desperately for survival during those crucial developmental years.

Matt

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[Chang]

I am fifteen.... so ....uhm.... age has nothing to do with responsibility

. Most stores will try to avoid selling to me because of my age. I have found that coming back the next day, carrying a minimum of four knives and quite openly comparing their knives to mine, will normally make them ignore age. They don't even bother to ask. The fact I carry lots of knives and showed up two days in a row (regular visiting I suppose) means very big potential buisiness.

-chang the asian janitorial apparatus

 

[Stompy]

Although it is true that some minors are mature for their age and can be trusted to act responsibly with knives, I can't see how online dealers especially can make that judgement. It's up to the minor's parents. And to provide proof to the dealer and make his day a little easier, parents may have to accompany a child to a cutlery store or order a knife online or through a catalog for the child under their name and using their credit card.

Will a dealer bend the rules for business?

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[Razoredj]

Just as the Big Evil Internet is blamed for the availability to minors of everything from weapons to bomb instructions to pornography, IT'S NOTHING NEW AND THE INTERNET IS NOT TO BLAME.

Bomb making instructions have been available in book form for decades, any child with guts can shoplift a dirty magazine, and as long as there has been mail-order, there have been people getting knives who were under the age limit. I have a friend who told me he started collecting knives as a child -- by sending Money Orders through the mail to various catalog companies.

Razor

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