No-E/SJT ?

Tyrkon Lawson

Tyrkon Lawson

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Currently I have an SH-E and BA-E and absolutely love both. The E handles feel great. I also have a SJT with a great Okuden sheath. But I really like the NO-E which appears to be in the same range as the SJT but thicker. As far as performance wise would these knives fill the same nitch. I understand that the NO-E would most lkely be the better pryer while the SJT may be a better selection of weight is an issue. But other than that... So before I sell my SJT to purchase an NO-E I want to make sure I am not giving up over all performance. And in all likelihood I would be using my knives in an urban setting as opposed to deep in the woods. Thanks guys.
 
I will answer you as any hog should, get both.:thumbup:

Use them under controlled (non-emergency) conditions, and see which performs to your requirements.

Use that one, and put the other back for a couple months, then get it out and try them again.

If you findings are the same, put the "loser" in the safe for future reference....

If different, repeat.

Hammy
 
I was in a simlar predicament. I had a SJT (My first Busse) and just couldn't get used to the handles. Loved the looks of the BA-E, but wanted something a little bigger. Bravado offered to let me check out his NO-E and it's been my favorite knife ever since then. I should have a ST-Ripper coming one day, and that mey replace the NO-E. If it does, I'll let you borrow it to see which you prefer. I would say the NO-E is a much better chopper while it still holds it's own in the slicing department, the SJT may have a slight edge just because of weight and shape. I think the NO-E is actually a bit shorter in OAL by half an inch or so.

Like I said, the NO-E my favorite knife so far. If you can afford both though, you can't go wrong!
 
Hmmph. There isn't really that much difference between the HOGSJTLE and the NO-e models. If you look at this picture of the blades tips, you can see that. From left to right: BARF, HOFSH, NO-e, HOGSJTLE, EU17, ZTNO, SP NARK
bussetips1.jpg


Seen in profile with the ZTNO and EU17, you can see that they are very similar in size. I don't have a regular SJT to use in comparison, but maybe someone else does.

Rick
hogsjtleandcousins.jpg
 
I'll second the motion for the HOG SJT. It really makes the NO/SJ comparison difficult. The saber grind on the HOGSJT further contributes to its overall strength. But that's only valid for those with the HOG, very rare, SJTs.

So I'd put the NO-E and regular SJT in two different main categories, with the NO-E going into the Combat/dangerous environment category, and the SJT going into a Large Fighter/heavy duty camping knife category. The NO's styling makes it a cumbersome fighter, and the SJT's light weight may not inspire enough confidence for guys used to carrying .25" steel in combat. On the other hand, if you're condident enough to carry a 3/16" 1095 steel k-bar in combat then the SJT should only be better, right? I think the SJT is definitely adequate for urban environments, and possibly easier to carry as well. I carried a 3/16" ZT-NO in urban environments where the NO was just too much knife...
But you really shouldn't pass up an opportunity to get a NO-E if one comes up.
 
Not sure if it's an issue in So Cal, but IMO the NO-E definitely looks more utilitarian to the "tactical" SJTac. Here in Toronto I think I'd be hard pressed to convince law enforcement that I'm not trying to get into a knife-fight with the SJTac, and I think I could more easily suggest that the NO-E is a utility knife.

My new favourite deep-woods combo is the G-10 Hell Razor paired with the Bog Dog. I'll be keeping the NO-E in the car.

- x_ichthyic
 
I think as far as an EDC blade I will definately settle on something much smaller such as a Shaker, or AD, or HD. Even though we can carry huge knives in most parts of CA (as long as it is in plain view and not concealed) I really don't want to attract the kind of attention a big blade will get me in CostCo or other such places.

Thanks for the responses so far guys. So far I am really pleased with the BA-E and may see how my BA-E and SH-E combo works.

Now to find a smaller blade for an EDC.
 
rbmcmjr said:
Hmmph. There isn't really that much difference between the HOGSJTLE and the NO-e models. If you look at this picture of the blades tips, you can see that. From left to right: BARF, HOFSH, NO-e, HOGSJTLE, EU17, ZTNO, SP NARK
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/rbmcmjr/bussetips1.jpg

Seen in profile with the ZTNO and EU17, you can see that they are very similar in size. I don't have a regular SJT to use in comparison, but maybe someone else does.

Rick
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/rbmcmjr/hogsjtleandcousins.jpg
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wich do you feel has a stronger overal geometry - the eu17, or the hoglesjt?
 
Tyrkon Lawson said:
Currently I have an SH-E and BA-E and absolutely love both. The E handles feel great. I also have a SJT with a great Okuden sheath. But I really like the NO-E which appears to be in the same range as the SJT but thicker. As far as performance wise would these knives fill the same nitch. I understand that the NO-E would most lkely be the better pryer while the SJT may be a better selection of weight is an issue. But other than that... So before I sell my SJT to purchase an NO-E I want to make sure I am not giving up over all performance. And in all likelihood I would be using my knives in an urban setting as opposed to deep in the woods. Thanks guys.
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Have you tried the SJ-E. They are rare, but they feel awesome. :thumbup:
 
SethMurdoc said:
wich do you feel has a stronger overal geometry - the eu17, or the hoglesjt?
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My money goes on the HOGSJTLE. The full convex grind on the body gives it more oomph than the full flat on the EU17.

OTOH, the EU17 is better configured as a chopper, if that is important to you. The TAC handles are really intended for a sabre-style grip and the modified-e on the EU family (and a lot of those Minumental Extravaganzaa blades) is much better suited for that "hatchet-hold" type of use. The lack of the rear talon and skull-crusher might even make it better than the Fusion handles.

Tha being said, my EU is on the way to a new home. I hope he likes it.

Rick
 
The more I handle my SH-E and BA-E the more I am convinced that all my bases are covered with those two. But I would like a smaller knife such as an HD or AD for my EDC. I just have to keep looking. Or perhaps I'll just have to look for the ever so easy to aquire Game Warden as well. ;)
 
Tyrkon Lawson said:
The more I handle my SH-E and BA-E the more I am convinced that all my bases are covered with those two. But I would like a smaller knife such as an HD or AD for my EDC. I just have to keep looking. Or perhaps I'll just have to look for the ever so easy to aquire Game Warden as well. ;)
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EDC you say... Try for a Mean Street or a Meaner Street ( Leaner versions are nice also ). If you can't find one, then you may want to go with a HD or an AD, but I would try to start out with one of the MS. It sounds like you like the bigger knives (thicker/longer) which the MS has in the EDC size.

just my two cents...
 
Solstice,

Thanks. Now I just have to keep my eyes open. But it seems like they turn up for those with a little patience. :)
 
Tyrkon Lawson said:
Thanks. Now I just have to keep my eyes open. But it seems like they turn up for those with a little patience.
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This will annoy some, but that auction site everyone loves to hate has a LrMrS in DCBB and snakeskin on it. It's a user, not a collector piece.

Rick - no connection, just saw it
 
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