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I was curious how this rule came to be and if it is something that the mods and owner feel need to be set in stone. It seems the rule is that unless the items for trade or sale as well as the cash have transfered ownership and stayed that way then no feedback can be left. Unfortunately this seems to allow a certain brand of people to abuse use this rule and really take advantage of long established members. It seems there isnt a day that gos by when someone doesnt start a thread upset with how a deal went down and they had and there was obvious mistakes being made yet because the deal fell apart there is no way to keep record of people abusing the rule. People are backing out of deals after money has been sent, and terms agreed upon. People are buying knives with pictures and then lying about condition to get a refund. People are buying knives and tearing them apart and then trying to return them when it turns out it wasnt the "investment" they hoped it would be. Luckily that last one never stuck. But people are abusing FSOT agreements left and right and they know that as long as they get the agreement disolved nothing can touch them. And sure people can create a thread about it in the feedback forum but those are heat of the moment threads to discuss and after some time they disappear. I am no one here. I dont have a paid membership. But I do buy from people. And with all the nonsense lately Its hard for me to do that. I am not insisting but I do hope a couple of the proposed rules below are considered to help protect the community because as it is right now? It just seems way to easy to do as you wish with no accountability. Again just some suggestions
1. Possibly make feedback allowed if terms are reached and payment or tracking created. IMHO this is when a deal is done. You make and agreement and its expected you stick to it. Research, wives, shouldnt be able to be a feather in the cap
2. possibly allow feedback even if a deal is dissolved. I feel if knives are shipped and money is exchanged that deal was done. I personally feel if it is wished to be reversed it should be looked at as a new deal especially if the reasons given are nonsense. I think we all know what should and shouldnt be allowed.
3. Possibly create a rule that states only specific circumstances in which a deal can be backed out of. sure people could still lie, but its harder to come up with excuses. It really seems people are using members as a walmart. Some have even stated they feel they have a right to a return. IMHO this should not be allowed. People need to be sure of something before they commit. If the knife is not as described fine that needs to be dealt with. But these change of hearts, i did more research, my wife said no, I was drinking excuses really are getting tiresome. And seeing many of the issues are created by newer members I almost feel they study GB&U in order to see just what they can get away with.
I apologize if this seems like a passionate knee jerk thread. But I used to see one or two nasty threads a month and now its seems to be a daily occurrence. And the mods are having a hard time handling the impassioned responses from members but in some of these cases it really is hard to keep quite when you see your friends being taken. I think the part that bothers me most is those pulling all this truly feel they are entitled to their antics. Im not saying any of my rules need to be considered. They are just suggestions. But I do really feel something has to change. We are constantly pushing for people to do their research. And in most cases research will prevent many of the problems we have been having. But in some of these cases no amount of research will uncover some of the offenders. I dont want to be unfair to anyone. We have to remember that scammers are usually pretty clever. And they strike when they see a weakness in a communities defenses. And IMHO this is a pretty big weakness. Sorry if this thread offended anyone. I really am just trying to think of a way to get some normalcy to BSOT.
1. Possibly make feedback allowed if terms are reached and payment or tracking created. IMHO this is when a deal is done. You make and agreement and its expected you stick to it. Research, wives, shouldnt be able to be a feather in the cap
2. possibly allow feedback even if a deal is dissolved. I feel if knives are shipped and money is exchanged that deal was done. I personally feel if it is wished to be reversed it should be looked at as a new deal especially if the reasons given are nonsense. I think we all know what should and shouldnt be allowed.
3. Possibly create a rule that states only specific circumstances in which a deal can be backed out of. sure people could still lie, but its harder to come up with excuses. It really seems people are using members as a walmart. Some have even stated they feel they have a right to a return. IMHO this should not be allowed. People need to be sure of something before they commit. If the knife is not as described fine that needs to be dealt with. But these change of hearts, i did more research, my wife said no, I was drinking excuses really are getting tiresome. And seeing many of the issues are created by newer members I almost feel they study GB&U in order to see just what they can get away with.
I apologize if this seems like a passionate knee jerk thread. But I used to see one or two nasty threads a month and now its seems to be a daily occurrence. And the mods are having a hard time handling the impassioned responses from members but in some of these cases it really is hard to keep quite when you see your friends being taken. I think the part that bothers me most is those pulling all this truly feel they are entitled to their antics. Im not saying any of my rules need to be considered. They are just suggestions. But I do really feel something has to change. We are constantly pushing for people to do their research. And in most cases research will prevent many of the problems we have been having. But in some of these cases no amount of research will uncover some of the offenders. I dont want to be unfair to anyone. We have to remember that scammers are usually pretty clever. And they strike when they see a weakness in a communities defenses. And IMHO this is a pretty big weakness. Sorry if this thread offended anyone. I really am just trying to think of a way to get some normalcy to BSOT.