No more non-flippers?

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brandog

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Rick recently said at the ECCKS 2013 knife show that they were not going to be making "that many" of the non-flippers anymore. Does this mean that the non-flipper is slowly being phased out?

Naturally, this would make the market demand for these knives higher, being that they would be considered rare.

Any thoughts?
 
Guys they are knives..... Not shares on the stock market! They are made to be used and appreciated, not locked away until the market peaks and its time to sell...... If this is your mentality I would suggest getting an E-trade account and starting your new empire, before your inventory rusts and loses market value... Honestly if you are lucky enough to have a Hinderer EDC it and enjoy the experience while you can, don't be the Ferrari owner with the dusty car that won't start because the battery is dead.... Go out and cut something!
 
They have always made many more flippers than non-flippers in most of the sizes. You may have misinterpreted Rick though or took him too literally, even if they only made 10% non-flippers going forward ("not going to be making "that many" of the non-flippers anymore") that might not be all that different than they have historically.

isaacsawesome said:
:grumpy: If thats the case im mad! I just traded mine:(
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That didn't take long, maybe some practice being a bit less rash would be in order...
 
Idk I'm interpreting it in the most literal and sensible way. He said their not going to be making as many non flippers anymore and that their probably going to become rare. Basically verbatim
 
brandog said:
Idk I'm interpreting it in the most literal and sensible way. He said their not going to be making as many non flippers anymore and that their probably going to become rare. Basically verbatim
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Very well, sounds like it is akin to automatics versus manuals in vehicles, so many more choose or want flippers.

Still, to say "no more non-flippers" in your title but then state that Rick told you "were not going to be making "that many" of the non-flippers anymore" in your first post is misleading. Non-flippers have been far less common in recent XM production.
 
By percentage, we are making less non-flippers this than before due to demand between the 2 styles. It does not mean they are being phased out.
 
wowcoop said:
Guys they are knives..... Not shares on the stock market! They are made to be used and appreciated, not locked away until the market peaks and its time to sell...... If this is your mentality I would suggest getting an E-trade account and starting your new empire, before your inventory rusts and loses market value... Honestly if you are lucky enough to have a Hinderer EDC it and enjoy the experience while you can, don't be the Ferrari owner with the dusty car that won't start because the battery is dead.... Go out and cut something!
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Yes, that's the prevailing view around here. But it doesn't necessarily make it the right one. It's just one among many perfectly valid reasons to own knives. And our community is large enough to invite knife enthusiasts of all stripes to participate and feel welcome.

As the saying goes, to each his own.
 
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bld522 said:
Yes, that's the prevailing view around here. But it doesn't necessarily make it the right one. It's just one among many perfectly valid reasons to own knives. And our community is large enough to invite knife enthusiasts of all stripes to participate and feel welcome.

As the saying goes, to each his own.
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Very well put! I agree...would be nice if more folks simply chose to keep things positive and constructive. :D:beer:
 
Or at the very least, begin their statements with the qualifier, "In my opinion . . . ". ;)

The point is, nobody speaks for Bladeforums. We all speak for ourselves. And a little humility goes a long way.
 
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bld522 said:
Or at the very least, begin their statements with the qualifier, "In my opinion . . . ". ;)
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I don't see that quoted text as necessary, as what someone posts is their opinion and perspective even if it's to defend another.
 
As to non-flippers, they are not my preference. It seems I'm in the majority on that since fewer are produced. And if an item (even one in high demand) is offered in a less-popular variant, that would likely not increase its market value.

For example, pink handle scales on knives (or similar) are attractive to some, but not the majority of purchasers.
 
Sorry to all if my last post came off as overly harsh. IMO I have the greatest respect to the Hinderer group, as well as Rick and Rob and their crew, and just get a little saddened by the cost phenomenon that these instruments cultivate.... My hope is that no one was offended by my previous post, as it was intended to coax the focus back onto the positive experience of using these knives as opposed to simply keeping them boxed up.... I just get shocked when I see some of the pricing on the secondary market, and know that they are out of reach for a lot of folks who can put them to good use..
 
Thanks, wowcoop. The problem is, there's a very vocal contingent around BF who seems to believe that if someone buys a knife and they don't use it, they've got no reason to live. I'm glad you're not among them. And to address your concern, I absolutely agree Hinderer knives deserve to be used by those who purchase knives for the enjoyment of using them. The same goes for Busse Combat knives. Problem is, both manufacturers' knives are so darn expensive on the secondary market that I'd be willing to bet few get used for much more than say, opening envelopes or spreading jam . . . if they get used at all. Having said that, I know for a fact that a lot (if not a majority) of Busse Combat knives get purchased by collectors for the sheer pleasure of owning them and by resellers for the purpose of profiting from them. Those are both perfectly legitimate reasons for dealing in Busse Combat knives, of course. And I'd be surprised if the same doesn't hold true for Hinderer knives, particuarly XMs.
 
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One positive aspect of this is they will be able to produce more of the popular flippers;)
 
But not nearly enough of either one, I'm afraid. :(

Believe me, if I could purchase an XM at factory pricing, I would do so in a heartbeat. There are just too many strata of custom knives from immensely talented makers that I have to rise through before I arrive at the stratospheric prices demanded of XMs on the secondary market. Invariably, my little balloon gets stuck in one of them before it percolates to the top of Hinderer heaven and I descend to Earth content but Hinderless again and again. I'm not complaining, mind you. I'm just stating the facts.

My sense is that the only way I'll ever own an XM is if I'm able to purchase it directly from the factory (the notion of hell freezing over applies to that possibility), I trade into it (that's a much more likely possibility), or I make up my mind that XMs really are worth more than far less-expensive knives from brilliant makers, put on my blinders, and buy one off the secondary market (a decision which so far I've been unwilling to make). In all honesty, however, I actually have written the trade ad a couple of times (let's see, what would I be willing to trade for a 3" XM Flipper Slicer . . . a Randall 1-7, a couple of Doziers, maybe an original Straight-Handled Satin Jack?). I just haven't been willing to post it yet. ;)
 
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