No slip-joint Experiment

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I have something to say and am going to say it.

We used to be tool users, and have become a society used by marketing and hype.

Instead of the perpetuation being parented / mentored, and passing forward as passed onto; society now does not have to learn skills sets as guns, and knives for instance are Magic Talismans that will keep problems away, and if not, will handle problems all by themselves.

Folks do not investigate and verify, instead parrot information they get off TV, Movies . Video Games and teh Intrawebz

Sorry, that dawg won't hunt.

Digressing further and to cite real world examples.

.38spl and especially the "widow makers" the 158 gr LRN are useless.
Then how come I and mine have put down a Cow with these shot from a 1929 Colt Detective Special, an Old Model 10 and Old Model 36?

One has to have night sights.
Not me, you could not pay me to have these.
Now for me and mine and what we use[d] for serious hi-risk work was 14 karat or 18 karat gold beads on front sights.
These show in all lighting conditions, including low light and no light. They don't go dim, go out, break.
If, one is shooting a lot, brush the thumb onto gold bead to remove carbon soot and good to go.
I ran/run bone stock Gov't model of 1911, with USGI /Colt 7 rd mags, with dimple followers and used hardball most times, as I and mine already shot through one-way mirrors, vehicle doors and other real deal lessons - before gun schools come to be.

Model 10, was and is another proven gun. Drill a hole front to back of front ramp and insert that gold bead.

One secret gun we used, even a long long time ago, was 1911 in 9x23, with a gold bead on the front sight. Then the race gun folks found out about it.

Knives...same darn thing, folks are being used by marketing.
Me, being me, and having promised myself, and mentors to pass forward as passed to...do so.

Tight bunch I hang with , and this includes kids, and single moms.

Kids know I am using a Case Peanut, Yellow handled, with CV blades, for a year.
I am serious, when I share about skill sets, thinking ahead, thinking out of the box.
I do not want to be controlled or owned by anyone, not .gov, and for sure some marketing outfit.


No Peanut, no knife, and we had passing forward my way!

Here we go...
 
Maybe I read it wrong but ya sound a little angry :D... As far as pistols go I do agree that a lot of the oldies are tried and true.. Heck, I carried a Colt 1911 U.S ARMY made in 1918 for about a year. Took it completely apart, cleaned good and replaced the springs. Ran 230 grain round nose and this gun never malfunctioned. Didn't have a great trigger pull and still had the almost nonexistent factory sights on it. The old J-frame Smiths are still a very capable pistol, especially for those in the know..
As far as the one knife program, not sure if you have read any of the threads or not, but there are a couple folks on here that have already started the same program.. You will find a fair amount of people on here that have a real liking for the peanuts too...
 
About as traditional and bare bones as one can get.
Well I for sure could not find any Nail clippers with a beaded key chain for a dime, seems they went up a bit.
The ones made in USA...getting harder to find as some companies that used to be make these in the USA, are now making them abroad <expletive>.

Pay attention to the nail clippers, some have the top part that swivels out, around and one pushed down, with a pointed end, some are squared off.

Now look at the nail file portion that swings out, some are pointed like a spear point, and some have slight "c" for cuticle use and getting up and under nails.

I picked a variety of these. Those without beaded key chains, I went to the Mom&Pop hardware store and bought bulk beaded chain, both smaller and larger beads, with attachements (clasp) and in brass and the shiny chrome plated .


Folks gathered and the youngest kid was 4 years old.
We found an old Zebco 33 that was made in Tulsa , Ok, and rod. Zero Bomb Corp, [Zebco] is now made overseas.
This reel has been taken apart, cleaned and time for new line to be put on.

Nail clippers cut fishing line real well.
I also showed on a ABU Garcia 5000, how to undo bird's nest using the top part, pointy, but not sharp.


I went over to the wall switch and using the flat Nail Clipper and took out a flat head screw, one of the kids got wide eyed and put it back in.

Pointy one fit a Phillips screw and the nail file being even smaller fit smaller Phillips screws.

Now this bunch is getting into what all I am doing, I expected some challenges...and got some.

"Ok smart guy, open this little mustard packet from the fast food place".
Nail clippers, will cut, and tear that open with ease!

Two pack of crackers that comes with a Salad...nail file just opened them puppies up with ease.

"Okay, I like my sandwiches in halves, and cut corner to corner".
I gotta kid, with a smug look and arms folded...
I get up, slap a pc of ham on on slice of bread, folk corner to corner and "here ya go, nobody's says you have to cut the thing..."

See, folks get a case of "gotta" and "have to's" with tools.
I just showed the kid, thinking ahead, not expecting a tool to do something, instead going about something different.
Half a sandwich folded has the same amount of meat if I had made a regular one, and cut in half.

She said mustard cut with nail clippers tasted better...*wink*

Loose threads on clothes, using needle and thread, nail clippers work.
Opening the mail, including a box, nail clipper worked.

"Open my bottle of Coke" a mom said.
Again, easy as can be...

Nail clippers make the best fine wire snippers and insulation pullers.
First I cut some fine binding wire, finer that 24 ga.
Then I snipped a wire from Cat 5e cabling, and pulled the insulation of it.

Always one in the bunch...my lady friend broke the lead on a No. 2 pencil.
"Would you sharpen this for me?" *brat*

I asked one of the kids to run outside and get a small rock.
Now it has been awhile since I have done this, still one can sharpen a pencil with a nail clipper, just go slow, and eas,
Hard to explain, still sort of like pulling insulation off, "pulling" the wood away from lead.
I got lucky and did not snip through and break lead.
Used the rock to smooth and shape cedar and wood to really fine point, like seen on golf pencils.

Other things were done, it became a game with all these nail clippers to see what all could be done with them.

Seems the 4 year got a new bottle of *snicker* purple nail polish.
Purple is her thing ...
So...okay I'm a guy and easily bribed by brunettes with brown eyes , with a cookie...
Using the nail file I got the safety wrap off and she got little nails filed,and I painted her little nails.

Lesson being, skills sets are not gender specific. Girls use knives, help with changing oil and other mechanical things, and the boy learn to sew a button on, cook iron and whatever else.

Today packaging is differnt, which is great for those physically limited be it temporary like from surgery , or more serious , or arthritis flaring up.

Foil packs of Tuna, pull tabs on soups, cans of fruit and veggies, Vienna Sausage, Coffee cans with foil pull tabs...

WE want the kids to see the old ways, and learn correct basic fundamentals.
Incorporating with the new packing and all too.
If a pull tab is missing, how to work around it and still get the can opened for instance.

Nail clippers , just another old traditional tool, one can use instead of ,or along with a slip joint.

This experiment was a fun one, for not only the kids, adults too.

Still in the experiment for a year using a Peanut, just as I shared, I am still going to pass forward from time to time.
I mean I gotta actually use another knife to assist a kid with that knife learning freehand sharpening for instance or proper way to cut a cardboard box down with their knife.



Regards,

Steve
 
sm2 said:
I have something to say and am going to say it.

We used to be tool users, and have become a society used by marketing and hype.

Instead of the perpetuation being parented / mentored, and passing forward as passed onto; society now does not have to learn skills sets as guns, and knives for instance are Magic Talismans that will keep problems away, and if not, will handle problems all by themselves.

Folks do not investigate and verify, instead parrot information they get off TV, Movies . Video Games and teh Intrawebz

Sorry, that dawg won't hunt.

Digressing further and to cite real world examples.

.38spl and especially the "widow makers" the 158 gr LRN are useless.
Then how come I and mine have put down a Cow with these shot from a 1929 Colt Detective Special, an Old Model 10 and Old Model 36?

One has to have night sights.
Not me, you could not pay me to have these.
Now for me and mine and what we use[d] for serious hi-risk work was 14 karat or 18 karat gold beads on front sights.
These show in all lighting conditions, including low light and no light. They don't go dim, go out, break.
If, one is shooting a lot, brush the thumb onto gold bead to remove carbon soot and good to go.
I ran/run bone stock Gov't model of 1911, with USGI /Colt 7 rd mags, with dimple followers and used hardball most times, as I and mine already shot through one-way mirrors, vehicle doors and other real deal lessons - before gun schools come to be.

Model 10, was and is another proven gun. Drill a hole front to back of front ramp and insert that gold bead.

One secret gun we used, even a long long time ago, was 1911 in 9x23, with a gold bead on the front sight. Then the race gun folks found out about it.

Knives...same darn thing, folks are being used by marketing.
Me, being me, and having promised myself, and mentors to pass forward as passed to...do so.

Tight bunch I hang with , and this includes kids, and single moms.

Kids know I am using a Case Peanut, Yellow handled, with CV blades, for a year.
I am serious, when I share about skill sets, thinking ahead, thinking out of the box.
I do not want to be controlled or owned by anyone, not .gov, and for sure some marketing outfit.


No Peanut, no knife, and we had passing forward my way!

Here we go...
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Totally agree!

Especially on the model 10 .38 special. I think you could go a very long way and find no more effective gun for it's mission. I carried a 1911 in the army. Great gun, and I even bought a Colt civilian model for myself. I picked up the Colt made conversion kit for it at an Oshmans sporting goods store in San Antonio Texas. I used the heck out of that gun in both .45 and .22, till I traded it off for a new S&W modle 64 in 1977 when confronted with a shocking revelation on the revolver vs auto thing. I went back to the basic Smith and Wesson revolver and never strayed from it again. For most of my life .38 special and .22LR has done just what I needed to have done, no problems. The hog butcherings I've been part of, a .22 has dropped a big hog right down.

Modern marketing is all about hype. P.T. Barnum said "there's a sucker born every minute," and modern marketing is out to find every one of them. Most of what is sold these days is pushed on unsuspecting rubes who have no idea of what they are buying, because they were never mentored when at a young impressonable age. Too many young people growing up with TV talking heads telling them how to do it. Too many TV shows with totally unrealistic BS on the air. No moral to the story anymore.

Totally agree with ya Steve.
 
to be completely honest, I have a really hard time following you sm2.

regardless, I appreciate your input.

experiments are never DONE. they have to be relived. all knowledge worth having is worth getting through investigation.

Brett
 
I'm not sure I can completely follow you, Steve. Your writing style is unique. But, I *think* we are in agreement on these points:
1) Just because something is "old" doesn't make it obsolete.
2) There is more than one way to accomplish a goal.

I believe you are among kindred spirits here. I'm glad you decided to keep posting.

todd
 
From the stone age to the information age there is still one BEST WAY to learn anything, and that's by mentoring. You're doing a good thing sm2 so keep it up and thanks for sharing your thoughts.
 
I am a big Robert Ruark fan, and read Corey Ford, Hemingway, and others coming up.
Add these mentors and elders I speak of , so I just write as one would hear conversation on the back porch, or out front of a bait shop next to the coke box.
Just a Southern boy , rititin' as we sez it, if you will.

S&W Model 10, a K frame, has its beginnings before 1900. Later the Model 64, come to be, same gun, just in stainless steel.
My favorite is the 3" round butt.

The traditional knives we share about, also have beginnings going way back.

I shot my very own gun at age 3, a revolver, a .22 nine shot Hi-Standard Sentinel my maternal grandma had placed in my dresser drawer crib when I was brought home from being born.
She also placed a Case Peanut.

Grandma carried a Model 10, and she was good with it! She could shoot any gun really well! She had more than one Model 10, but the snubby was handy to tote.
She had her slip-joints, and alternated, still always had one.

Grandma and I were sitting outside early one morning, I was messing with nail clippers, cutting postage string. Just being a kid, and grandma's coffee was pretty good, being chased down by my hot chocolate.

"Cover your ears Young-Un" she said and stuck wax ear plug plugs in her ears produced from her apron.

Model 10 snub nose, and grandma shot that rabbit in peeking around the brush, about to scurry.

This was not the first time I had seen her, or mentors do this, just I recall messing with nail clippers and that string.

She used her slip-joint to clean the rabbit.
Now I had my really good Case Peanut which was special,which was the one put in my crib , put up and another one I took out with Mentors and a small Imperial key chain knife, Midget if I recall correctly, with carbon steel blade.

I was a lot of help, at times. *wink*
Grandma used my little sharp key ring knife to show me, it too would cut rabbit.
I handed her nail clippers *lol*
She had this laugh,and she just laughed at me handing her nail clippers to clean a rabbit.

She took some string, tied it around a foot , cut the string with nail clippers like I had been doing.
Then used her Case knife to cut off the foot.

A Real Rabbits foot! This was a lot better than the ones in the store in the city !

Grandma died when I was almost 6.
Still I remember Grandma and Mentors handgun hunting with Model 10s.
I grew up handgun hunting with Model 10s, 1911s, Browning Hi-Powers, and .22 pistols...others...

I still do.
Mostly today it is pest control down on the property like ground hogs that will cause horses and cattle to break a leg.

Last time out it was a 3" Model 64 and felling ground hogs.
My knife was a Case Peanut, yellow handles, and CV blades.

How raised - what you do.
 
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Gotta agree. Old school stuff works well, if not exactly meeting the new high speed low drag line of toy acquistion.

I still find regular porro prism binocs to meet the need, and are designed to do a better job in the same size and power as roof prisms. They are almost always brighter, lighter, and more abuse resistant.

Even when indulging in the new tech, waiting to buy the older models gets you 1) good user feedback 2) a lot more common availability. I don't see Fenix hanging on the rack at Target, but my new Inova X1 was there on sale. It has about the right light, size, and battery life for an "antique" in the light market.

I still drive a '90 Cherokee because it gets there - which is what 4WD does, as opposed to the IRS on a lot of SUV's. I don't need a cushy ride, the roads are so much better than when I was growing up, and almost none of the county roads are dirt anymore. A live front axle is OK on them, and even better off road.

I've yet to max out the memory on most any electronic device, including a 56k thumb drive.

Now, that may not sound like the same kind of stuff as using a nail clipper as a mulitool, but it's the same concept - you don't need a lot of the high tech new stuff if you understand how much of the marketing is just selling you the sizzle and giving you soy burger.
 
jackknife said:
Modern marketing is all about hype. P.T. Barnum said "there's a sucker born every minute," and modern marketing is out to find every one of them. Most of what is sold these days is pushed on unsuspecting rubes who have no idea of what they are buying, because they were never mentored when at a young impressonable age.
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I'm with you in spirit, guys. But I don't believe for a second that suckers and rubes are new to this world. For one thing, if we agree that P.T. Barnum's saying is true today, then we have to agree it was true when he said it, right? Well, I don't know when exactly he said that, but I know he died in 1891, so there must have been enough suckers and rubes running around back them for ol' P.T. to catch wind of.

Here's a new book I'm wanting to read: "Charlatan: America's Most Dangerous Huckster, the Man Who Pursued Him, and the Age of Flimflam," by Pope Brock. It's about a guy named John Brinkley who made a fortune in the 1920s and 30s (among other things) getting rubes to pay him to restore their virility by surgically implanting in them goat glands. GOAT GLANDS! Thousands of customers quickly turned "Dr." Brinkley into America's richest and most famous surgeon. More than a few of them died.

So while I HEARTILY agree that teaching our kids to separate truth and reality from the utter BS spewed on television and in magazines etc. these days, I just can't buy into this being some new phenomenon.
 
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