NON-liquid list of firestarting for BOB bag - suggestions needed

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OK- I am supplying my "BOB" with the required things and I am trying to think of all the best stuff for starting fires. I am looking for suggestions of things that you have found that are very easy to use, cheap, readily accessible (nice thoughts) and work really well. I am not looking for lighter suggestions - I want things TO light and then some good match suggestions. yes, I said MATCH suggestions. Growing up as a Scout, we learned quickly that not all matches are created equal. SO, with that in mind...put together for me your ideal fire starting set up and how you carry it. It needs to be compact but not MICRO small. I may place all my firestarting stuff in a small OtterBox or similar and have it dedicated for that purpose PLUS be waterproof.

Some things that I have found that work very well and are fairly easy to find (and sometimes FREE) are dryer lint (VERY dry and burn great) and "Fat Wood." Fat wood is a wonderful thing that burns hot and long...it just takes a few seconds to get it going.

So, let me hear your ideas and suggestions (I love links too) and I will be able to create the ultimate fire starting machine!

David
 
I have a spare lightbulb holder for a flashlight on a string lanyard, instead of a lightbulb it has 2 cotton balls dipped into parrifin wax compressed into the holder.

All ya gotta do is tease out a little of the cotton ball and it flames and burns hot for a good 30 seconds or more dependeing on how much you use, allittle goes a long way, I also keep a short piece of fat wood(drilled a hole in a nice square piece) on my key ring, I use that with the cotton balls and you'll start a fire anywhere.
 
So many different choices...
My main BOB I am pretty redundant on firestarting , as in most sources are compact , so why not ???
Main source - mini Bic ( I know you didnt want lighters but trying to create a perspective)
That is main source since it is the simplist to use. Then come the alternatives.
http://www.nitro-pak.com/product_info.php/products_id/135?osCsid=70429a1f33dc71efefd3ae097ed50535
These take some practice but they work like a charm if needed. These come in a few different brands as well as price ranges , generally they are cheap.
http://www.nitro-pak.com/product_info.php/cPath/42_45/products_id/211
These too are cheap and work great , used them for years for camping. I do rotate the match and lighter stock every so often to make sure they all work.
In conjunction with those I use an old vitamin bottle with cotton soaked in Vaseline , works great.
If all that fails I have a smallish magnifying glass I keep for several uses , that too of course could start your fires given the right conditions.
Keep in mind this doesnt have to be expensive , I think it is silly to constantly buy the newest name brands that are nothing more than recycled technology.
All of the above will put you about 15-20 bones in the hole , not bad for that peace of mind.
Also this page has tons of ideas you can use , using common household items. Remember , simplicity is where its at :)
http://www.covenantacres.com/FireStarters.html

Enjoy.
 
I have always favored the flint-steel-tinder process. Magnisium blocks work well, but scraping, sparking and hitting your target can be difficult. Also, you are often faced with such a rapid hot burn, that you don't have time to react and build the fire to the next stage. Here are a couple of links to various tinder based systems:

http://www.hollowtop.com/hopsstore_html/flintandsteel.htm
http://www.whipperleys.co.uk/acatalog/survival_equipment_purlon_rope_whistle.html (UK)

There is one in particular that I like, but could not find straight off. It comes in a small green plastic box, has some fuel soaked cotton batting, and a flint/steel wheel like on a cheap lighter.
 
If you truly are an Eagle scout you should be able to start a fire with one match, a knife and your woodsman's skills. In my troop that's something you learned on your first campout...or you didn't eat cooked food. Then you learned how to start a fire in the rain with one match. For matches, diamond strike anywhere are the best. I think you can get them waterproof, or dip them in wax.

But still it's a BOB, put in zippo and small can of fluid to power the lighter and as a fire starter. You can burn anything anytime even in the wind and rain. You can even make an explosive device or a projectile launcher with the fluid some cans, and duct tape.
 
Tear up an old shirt, saturate the rags with shoe polish, and fold them up nice and neat. it starts burning easily, burns for a long time, and won't stop burning.
 
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A Weber Chimney starter and plastic-bagged 500 count box of Diamond 'strike anywhere' matches are what I use for all my fire starting needs- whether lighting hardwood or coals for grilling and smoking, or as a very easy starter for a campfire (I know that's probably too big for your purposes, but that's just what I use)...
 
The BSA Hotspark is one of the best "flint" striking rods IMO. It is also cheap. Whether using a hotspark, lighter, or matches lint is usually a good tinder, assuming it is cotton. Cotton balls will also work. There was a firestarter we made in Scouts called a "firebug" which was made by rolling up newspaper, tying string to it in several places, cutting the newspaper into segments so each piece is 2.5-3" long and 1.5-2" thick with a string tied to the middle which is used to dip it in paraffin. Let them cool and they will light if exposed to flame. Another good idea is to use a candle when using a match or lighter. Light the candle and use the candle to light the tinder.

Then there is always "Girl Scout Water" (what the camp counselors called galsoline or OFF.) :D
 
You're lost. I'll move this thread to the Wilderness & Survival forum for you. You'll find quite a bit has been posted already.... :cool:
 
An O.B. Tampon... I took one apart once and there was so much cotton in there, I could have stopped a heavy flow afternoon.
 
My favorite is a BIC lighter ...Yeah I know, but butane is only liquid under pressure (keep in an inside pocket as they do not always light well when cold). Back it up with vaseline soaked cotton balls (store in sections of large plastic soda straw) and a magnesim bar/striker (You will probably have to practise a few times with the magnesium bar).
If all else fails military fuel tabs (trioxane) will start almost anything on fire
Enjoy!
 
I would advise against placing all your fire making gear into one area of your kit. Instead, spread it out by placing some in your pack, some on your body and some in a coat or vest etc, that you'll have with you.

I carry a blastmatch and wet tinder, my Becker BK-7 that has a BSA Hotspark, a small SAK, spark-lite tinder and strike anywhere matches in it's sheaths minikit. There is also pitchwitch firestarter, additional spark-lite tinder, ranger bands, birch bark and a couple of disposable and adjustable lighters, all stuffed into my rucksack. In my pocket I carry a disposable lighter and in a small pouch on my belt, there's a SAK w/hotspark attached, an aluminum match safe with spark-lite tinder stuffed inside and a compass in it's stopper type lid.
 
brownshoe said:
If you truly are an Eagle scout you should be able to start a fire with one match, a knife and your woodsman's skills. In my troop that's something you learned on your first campout...or you didn't eat cooked food. Then you learned how to start a fire in the rain with one match. For matches, diamond strike anywhere are the best. I think you can get them waterproof, or dip them in wax.

But still it's a BOB, put in zippo and small can of fluid to power the lighter and as a fire starter. You can burn anything anytime even in the wind and rain. You can even make an explosive device or a projectile launcher with the fluid some cans, and duct tape.

I AM an Eagle Scout and I CAN build a fire with NO matches - thank you very much. :rolleyes: However, ALSO as an Eagle Scout we are taught (and I firmly believe in) BEING PREPARED!

So, with that being said, mor suggestions please!
 
Benjamin Liu said:
The BSA Hotspark is one of the best "flint" striking rods IMO. It is also cheap. Whether using a hotspark, lighter, or matches lint is usually a good tinder, assuming it is cotton. Cotton balls will also work. There was a firestarter we made in Scouts called a "firebug" which was made by rolling up newspaper, tying string to it in several places, cutting the newspaper into segments so each piece is 2.5-3" long and 1.5-2" thick with a string tied to the middle which is used to dip it in paraffin. Let them cool and they will light if exposed to flame. Another good idea is to use a candle when using a match or lighter. Light the candle and use the candle to light the tinder.

Then there is always "Girl Scout Water" (what the camp counselors called galsoline or OFF.) :D
Loved the fire bugs...made many of them for survival kits and I will probably put some of these in the pack as well.

Thanks for the reply.
David
 
You can use the lint from your clothes dryer for tender! Just put a big handfull in a plastic bag and you have some tender. I set some off real easy with my spark lite!
 
Inexpensive and easy to get Tinders (in no particular order):

1. Steel wool (can be used both with battery and spark, doesn't create flame though, it really just keeps and enlarges the spark)
2. Cotten with a dab of Petrolium Jelly (water resistant, catches easily, burns long)
3. Jute Twine (catches easily, burns very quickly)
4. Fatwood (carry a stick and scrape off a bit. It is a bit harder to catch then the above. However, burns well and the fatwood is naturally water resistant)
5. Charcotten (the absolute easiest to catch a spark on, but only holds the spark, needs jute twine to actually create flames [not water resistant])
6. Paper Birch bark (tough to catch a spark on [needs to be shredded/powdered real fine] , but is water resistant and burns long) Shred it up into strips and use it after you get the cotten lit or maybe with the steel wool.

Also remember that their are plenty of good wild tinders. Collect things in your travels and try them out later. Who knows, you may find something that works better then anything we know of.

Dryer lint was mentioned and that works well and is basically free and plentifull. Though make sure it is the lint from cotten clothes, usually jean lint works well.

Ranger bands (made from rubber bycycle innertube cut down) burn long and well, but you need a flame to get one going. They also burn with thick black smoke (good if you are trying to attract attention in the day time)

Someone mentioned tampons. They are great as they hold a lot of cotten in a small space and come wrapped so it is water proof until unwrapped. Plus if you have a woman in your group is it great to have. However, some men don't like to carry them.

Someone also mentioned a candle. If it isn't too windy this is great to have. Light the candle and use that to light the fire without wasting a lot of your tinder.

For things to light the fire (in no particular order):
1. The military (Doan) magnesium bar or the other round magnesium/ferrocium rod combo's are a good one (Make sure to get a well made one as the bar is known to fall out of the magnesium part of cheaper brands, best to pop the bar out and epoxy it back in yourself). Sure, magnesium isn't the best tinder, but it is better then nothing and since it is attached you never lose it. It isn't designed to be used one handed, but it can be. (with a little help from your foot or a log) It creates a nice spark and can be cut down smaller if need be.

2. The BSA hotspark. Simple, cheap, works, fits anywhere, 'nuff said.

3. The Sparklite. Baically the same good points as the hotspark, but trades a bit of spark for the ability to be used one handed. I also don't think it has been made with a lanyard hole yet.

4. The permanent match. One of my favorites because it produces a zippo like flame and is waterproof and evaporation resistant. It can also be used one handed like the mag bar, and if something does happen to the fuel you still have a ferrocium rod. It also has a lanyard/keychain loop. (I've also lit it while holding the base in my teeth)

5. The blast match. Basically a one handed ferro-rod. I don't really like it because it is quite large (larger then I really think it needs to be) But, it does throw a lot of sparks and can be easily used one handed. Just make sure you get a newer one as the older ones were prone to the button part breaking.

6. Zippo. One handed, works well, can be used like a spark lite if the fuel evaporates. To help stop evaporation wrap the lighter around the split in the case with a ranger band. Keep a few spare flints under the refill pad in the bottom of the lighter part.

7. Bic lighter, has the good points of a Zippo without having to worry about fuel evaporation (unless the button is depressed, use a zip tie wrapped around the top of the lighter inbetween the lip at the top and bottom of the button to stop this) However, it doesn't work as well at high altitudes and in real cold. Also a bit more wind unfriendly then a Zippo.

8. Strike force. Basically a ferro-rod and striker combo. But it has a bit of space so you can put your own tinder in. Making it about the same as a mag-bar, but with a better tinder. Not a bad deal, though it is is pretty large.

9. Strike anywhere kitchen matches. Great for the strike anywhere feature. Waterproof with varnish or candle wax and keep in a good waterproof matchbox. Though I have been told when they are waterproofed with candle wax it weakens the head over time (don't know how long though because I rotate my supplies frequently).

10. Lifeboat matches. Needs the striker, but burns like a little flare.

Now, remember to check on your gear every 6months/year (like when you check your first aid supplies and food stuff) as ferro-rods corrode over time and matches go bad over time (especially if waterproofed or not waterproofed and exposed to moisture)
 
What kind of problems do you find with the ferro rods over time? How do you waterproof them for storage?
 
Eventually they will corrode into dust, I personally haven't had one do it yet and i've got a mag-bar that has to be atleast 15 years old. I don't know if the weather is the major factor or what, but I have heard of it happening. I guess it is best to give your ferro-rods a coat of varnish too. Personally I have started using shrink tubing on all my stored rods, but I haven't used it long enough to see the results.

Edit:
Look at the post by "Widget in this thread, that is one of the places I heard about it.

ETS Ferro rod thead

Here is another thread with the same info:
Ferro-rod protection
 
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