Non-Metallic Knives

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Mikul

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Are there any completely non-metallic knives, swords, or other sharp objects that have no metal making them up at all? That probably means a ceramic blade, but anything non-metallic and sharp is good.

Considering that there are guards enforcing stupid airport and courtroom laws, this would be a simple (although probably expensive) way to avoid those situations.
 
I've seen the Zytel stuff, but would prefer something more useful. It doesn't need to be something large. I'd settle for 3", but it should be able to do basic duties.

A search through the archives turned over the inappropriate Zytel knives, and the Mad Dog that they will only sell to LEO. Has anything new come out? I'll check with bladewiz.
 
Hey Guys...

You have to remember that these knives aren't made to do daily types of cutting chores.

They are made and used for one reason and one reason only, generally self defense or Last Resort in nature and most are, one use only. They will get you through airport or court security,, but be forwarned,,get caught with one on the other side of the scanner,, and your A$$ is Grass so to speak.

If you plan on this type of a blade being your hard working daily carry you will be disappointed.

Several different people make these,, Bladewiz, Maddog,Newt Livesay

If you have a real need for one,, go for it,, but you'll have a hard time explaining its a tool for general duty. This type of knife is for deep concealment, you don't tell anyone,,you don't show anyone.

Just my .02 cents...

ttyle Eric....

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You seem very anxious to find a way to violate the law! I would advise against playing hide and seek with the people guarding the public buildings, as they tend to have very limited senses of humor.Most places, if you ARE caught, there are fairly severe penalties. This is not a game to the people charged with enforcing the laws.

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As a matter of interest, Maddog use to (and might still) sell his covert ceramic knives to military and police, only. Knives sold to "civilians" had/have a metal insert in the handle to make them "visible" to security personnel.
Frankly, I have never been able to determine why general duty police and military would require a covert weapon......if it is LEGAL for them to take a weapon into an airport, courthouse, etc, why would they need to defeat security provisions ? And why not carry a gun ?




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BrianWE
 
Brian,
Some military personnel, primarily EOD types, have use for knives with no magnetic or metalic signature.

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Semper Fi
 
A sharp-pointy pen is a deadly weapon - I saw it in two different movies!!
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Ond jurisdiction, California, has outlawed non-detectable knives that are commercially manufactured as weapons, in a bill carried by a conservative Republican at the behest of the sheriffs who guard the courthouses. If you think it's bad now, you should know that as originally drafted, it would have made it a felony to sharpen a pencil.

The inspiration for the bill was a person who came to his sentencing hearing with a plastic letter opener and stabbed the deputy DA in the neck with it. She recovered. The bailiff had a 9mm, and the suspect did not recover.b Suicide by cop.

Like the other folks here said - if you get caught with it on the far side of the checkpoint, the authorities will not be amused. And if you use it in some murky situtation that you think is self-defense . . . . Maybe you're better off picking out a sturdily built writing instrument for such emergencies. . . oops! . . . I mean for reliable and precise writing!!



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We have been through this many times in the past.

I see you are new to the forum so I recommend you search for "non metallic" "detectors" etc. in the "search" section of this forum.

Generally speaking: third generation detectors ARE able to find any and all irregularities in the human body. This means that if you try to go past one of these with a plastic bag full of water on your person you will be detected!

So - any thing that looks like a knife will be detected and you will be in for a very unpleasant experience.

Take the advice of the experienced and professional traveler -don't mess with air port security (not to mention courts and federal building)



[This message has been edited by Blilious (edited 03-21-2000).]
 
Thank you for your responses. I have been through a great deal of the archives going back to last September, and while they mention Kydex and carbon fiber knives, and Mad Dog who sells to LEOs, there was nothing for someone who simply wants an everyday carry knife that will attract minimal attention while traveling.

The unfortunate reality is that some weapon laws are ridiculous, and sometimes technology comes to the rescue. When going through a detector, you are always subject to the guard who may decide that your 4" knife is a lethal weapon or a harmless tool. Unfortunately, there's no way to argure your position and win. In cases where the knife has been confiscated, sometimes getting it back proves to be difficult or impossible.

The logical course of action is to have a knife just for these occasions; something that looks pretty and non-threatening even though it's almost as functional as the knife you carry daily. I simply dislike having to be at the mercy of someone who is uneducated on correct procedure or has gotten greedy and decided to steal a nice knife.
 
There are three types of knives that fare best in not being irritating to security forces (although you will have to surrender them in some circumstances, such as federal court houses).

Multi tools, Swiss Army Knives, and small Sebenzas. If you put your SAK or Seb (or multi tool, if it has a clip on it )into the change bowl, have some money clipped to it. This makes it even less objectionable.

Walt
 
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Yes, I was aware of special needs....that's why I specified "general duties".
I received my covert (no metal insert) "Operator" from a serviceman who obtained it without being asked to establish a special need. He got it because he belonged to "the club" and passed it to me because he had no need for it..


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Boker makes a Ti handled ceramic bladed knife that has just shy of a 2" blade. Gerber makes a couple of LST models with Ti blades and FRP handles. I have carried both of these, placed them in the tray in the
airport and had no questions asked.

NOTICE!! I did not try to get them past security. They are also too small to attract much attention from anybody.

I did not make into the local county court house with it. But neither did the Paramedic that was in full uniform with both beepers and radios on his lunch break. They even told him to put his shears back in his car.

The standard disclaimers are in effect. Your milage may vary. Don't do as I do, do as I say. Etc. Etc. Etc.

I am not a lawyer. Ask for, pay for and get your own legal advice.

Dwight

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It's a fine line between "a hobby" and "mental illness".

[This message has been edited by pyrguy (edited 03-21-2000).]
 
Airport security for US domestic flights (I don't know about other kinds) will normally let modest pocket knives through.

Courthouses, at least in my part of the country (urban California) are paranoid to the point of absurdity. Ask The Wife about the stainless steel salad fork she had in her briefcase once.


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Do you want a tool or a weapon when traveling? If you want a tool, get an Old Timer, Case, Puma, and so on. Almost every time these knifes will pass. Keep them all under 3 inches (a tactical knife can pass if under 3 inches). If you want a weapon don't fly. There is no justification for carrying a weapon while in security. If you need one while getting your car or other things outside in the dark, put it in your check-on bag. Airports are one of the safest places while you are traveling. You are more likely to die 1000 times in a car, than to be a victim of a violent act in an airport.

Unless everyone is out to get you, because you know they are watching you. If that is the case I guess I am working for them.

Nathan
 
A danish knifemaker by the name of Hans Jorgen Henriksen made at one point in time a small ceramic utility knife. It was quite durable and could cut most things you encounter on a daily basis. Ofcourse most of the restrictions that apply to ceramics are valid here to, although I have never seen a blade of his that was chipped. The particular design has actually been onboard one of the space shuttles several years ago and did several orbits before coming back down. A knife made from the same design was hanging around my neck when I traveled from Copenhagen, Denmark to Amsterdam, Holland, to Minneapolis, and finally to Anchorage. Nobody discovered it. Albeit, this was in '94. High tech detectors were most likely not in place. About a month ago I took the same trip, with a Gerber Multiplier needlenose, in my carry-on. The Multiplier in the needlenose version will serve admirably as a striking weapon, while at the same time providing you with a blade that will perform most tasks. I was only questioned once, in Paris De Gaulle airport, by an airport security lady who looked at the X-ray of my carry-on and asked what the black blob on her screen was. " What is dis? Per'aps a knife, monsieur?"
I pulled it out of my carry-on and showed it to the lady and explained to her that it was simply a multitool. I was allowed to pass.
To get to the point, do not try to conceal your weapon when you are travelling. If they find it, which is increasingly more probable these days, your ass is grass and airport security is one very, big lawnmover. Same goes for courthouses. Find something small and unobtrusive, like the ones mentioned above in previous posts or stick with a multitool. My experience is that you are less likely to get busted for carrying a multitool.
All we need now to be able to carry concealed everywhere, is for somebody to come up with a blade material with the same radar signature as human flesh...Any takers?

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Joshua "Kage" Calvert

"Move like Water, strike like Thunder..."
 
E_WOK,

I usually carry something like that with me -show it to the guard/s and have no problems with it. It is a sad truth though - that some guards are more irritating then others - and some just want your knife - no matter what. These can be handled by calling their supervisors and talking calmly and wisely.

or - by having a sas envelope - so you can mail the blade back home if runnig into one of these a@%$#.

Anyway - the kiss money clip is a good solution and I found out that by placing it in the basket with the money side up - nobody bothers to turn it over and look at it. It is a small blade but ALLOT better then not having anything on your person.

I agree that airports are some of the safest places - but I still can't see myself walking around knifeless..
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