nonconforming product in China

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dingy

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Hi BUCK , there are lots of nonconforming Buck blades sell in China for over years. And it was said that those blades were Problematic done by Ultrasonic detector of BUCK.



I just wandered , why you BUCK knife Co. sell those substandard semi-manufactured goods outside ?

Does Boss knows this thing ?
Why don't BUCK simply destroy it ?

I think those nonconforming blades ruins your fame.
 
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I am just going to bite my tongue on this one and let the others have at it.

It will be interesting to see where this one will go.
 
dingy, I've read some of your other posts in the General Forum. i.e. "Why China Copies Knives". DM
 
Ok, keep tongues in check. This person has a posting history as a China based knife collector and user. Let's go from there.

Hi Dingy, we welcome all posters who like Buck knives here. But, it is a forum of Buck knife collectors and users with only the occasional Buck knife employee making comments. We as a group have no real or direct influence on Buck Knives business operations. Their operations in the overseas market is not known to most of the people who comment here. Except, we do hear about and see on our markets the non-Buck employee made, non-authorized knives made without permission by Buck by overseas factories. Or, as we call them 'fakes'. If you wish to ask questions of why the Buck factory does certain actions you need to go to the Customer Service area of their website and ask questions , such as those stated in your opening post.

Buck Forum Moderator, 300Bucks
 
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It sounds like dingy is saying that blades that do not pass Quality Assurance at the Buck factory are sold customers in China rather than be destroyed. I would have no way of knowing if this is true or false.

I would be interested to know whether the blades in question were produced by Buck in the US or China and whether or not they were really produced by Buck or if they were fakes.
 
BuckShack said:
It sounds like dingy is saying that blades that do not pass Quality Assurance at the Buck factory are sold customers in China rather than be destroyed. I would have no way of knowing if this is true or false.

I would be interested to know whether the blades in question were produced by Buck in the US or China and whether or not they were really produced by Buck or if they were fakes.
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what i mentioned buck blades are not fake , those blades comes from the buck factory .

but i gusse those blades was treated as garbage by Buck , and there are bad guys sell it by stealth and others smuggled into China.
 
Like the other non-employees here I don't know the specifics of how Buck operates. Furthermore I am not a Buck fan - I appreciate their quality but they're not my style. I'm Australian so I am not going to defend them because they're American owned. I am about as unbiased as it gets.

That said, it makes absolutely no sense for Buck to be selling large numbers of significantly substandard knives on the Chinese (or any other) market. There are a few reasons why this scenario is highly unlikely.

First, this scenario requires a very large number of substandard Buck knives to be produced in the first place. Not only would their quality standards need to be very poor and their quality assurance non-existent, but they would also have to be willing to sacrifice a significant proportion of their potential profit. This is extremely unlikely. This company is known for quality.

Second, Buck would have to be willing to sacrifice their reputation for no better reason than to continue an unprofitable business practice.

Furthermore, if this was the case, the US market would be flooded by these factory seconds via online sales. Everyone would know about it. Buck would have a reputation for selling substandard goods. Of course the opposite is true; their reputation is excellent precisely because of their high standards of quality assurance.

I did find an old thread about the occasional factory blemish becoming available but they seemed to be both uncommon and very minor blemishes.
It is far more likely that fakes are being sold with an accompanying rumour that they are genuine factory seconds.
 
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Its a well known problem with electronics that stuff that does not pass QC still goes out the door to the grey market. I say grey, because while it might be outside of the contract, it may not actually be illegal. This sort of thing is not limited to any one industry and is a fairly common problem across China. Unfortunately this causes a distrust of Chinese products here in the west as we don't tend to see China as a large country with a diverse population and its own economic struggles. We tend to simplify it as though all of China were one factory.

It would be a little like saying that Germany produces bad cars because of the VW thing, or America can't build airplanes because the F35 project is late. Those things have nothing to do with each other.

I'd say that it is very likely that Buck does not want substandard products to be in any market, but it is also true that there are so many fakes in China that some people even believe they need to look out for fake eggs. Or it could be the case that no one actually believes that, besides westerners who have heard the story.

I would suggest that if you have information relating to substandard knives in China you should approach Buck directly, perhaps they have a local contact that could be of help.
 
Before blemished or seconds gets too trashed. I believe I can state truthfully, that most all the blems and seconds that you see being sold came thru the Buck Factory store marked as such. Certain individual online sellers visit the store at least weekly. 300bucks
 
Chris Larrikin said:
..........First, this scenario requires a very large number of substandard Buck knives to be produced in the first place. Not only would their quality standards need to be very poor and their quality assurance non-existent, but they would also have to be willing to sacrifice a significant proportion of their potential profit. This is extremely unlikely. This company is known for quality.

Second, Buck would have to be willing to sacrifice their reputation for no better reason than to continue an unprofitable business practice.

Furthermore, if this was the case, the US market would be flooded by these factory seconds via online sales. Everyone would know about it. Buck would have a reputation for selling substandard goods. Of course the opposite is true; their reputation is excellent precisely because of their high standards of quality assurance.

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Right on the money, Chris.
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dingy - I believe the best thing for you to do is to post some pictures of the Buck Knives you are talking about. Than maybe we all can discuss this on facts.

Pictures - Pictures - Pictures.
 
gedlicks said:
dingy - I believe the best thing for you to do is to post some pictures of the Buck Knives you are talking about. Than maybe we all can discuss this on facts.

Pictures - Pictures - Pictures.
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I'm not a particular fan of Buck Knives, but I do know that, IMHO, they have maintained a high degree of quality and integrity, for over 100 years, which makes it a bit irksome to read these unsubstantiated assaults on Buck's company reputation (family ethics, actually, since last I heard Buck is still a family owned business). So, put up or shut up.
 
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Sometimes that "is" the best comment.

Its hard to provide information when the question is about something that almost all of us would not know. I think that the comments above give good reasons why Buck would not be dumping junk blades overseas. If such a thing were occurring as collectors and supporters we would be greatly shocked and disappointed.

I hope we can welcome foreign posters and answer their questions. Sometimes it takes a minute or two to figure out the issue or question and then craft a easy to understand English reply. Let us go forward attempting to do than no matter the situation. I think we will have to have a reply before any further comments to our original poster.

The SHOT show in Las Vegas is coming up soon and if any forum member attends they can get comments on all sorts of Buck questions in person. And then come back and give us a run down. Photos would be nice also...... Just saying.

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I know for a fact, because I have been there, that name brand items - whether real or fake - are sold at crazy low prices in China.

Options:
1) The same Chinese factory that makes real name brand items makes "extras" under the radar and diverts them to the internal Chinese market at lower prices.
2) They are simply stolen from the factory.
3) Any parts that fail to meet quality standards are diverted and sold - this is what the original poster is implying.

If 3) is true then there is also an incentive to create excess "failed" parts - so option 3 becomes the same as option 1.

I never saw Buck knives (though I was not looking for them) but I saw lots of famous brands at prices that were too good to be true.
 
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