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I have searched about INFI rusting, and from what I found it seems to be pretty decent as far as corrosion resistance goes. I was just wondering, does anybody mind if they are out on a camping trip or something for a couple weeks and they have to constantly care for their super expensive knife blade because if they don't it will likely develop rust? Personally, I find it hard to get past the fact that a knife that expensive, designed for hard use in combat environments could rust on you if you don't constantly wipe it off and oil it. I doubt any military would even think of issuing a rust-prone knife to soldiers in the field who need dependable equipment. I can clearly see that Busse knives are super good because so many people praise them, but they RUST! Doesn't that bother you? Are they ideal for combat environments other than the bone dry desert? I saw some pics of a Battle Mistress with a ton of rust all along the edge where the black coating flaked off. Would a soldier appreciate that? I am not saying they aren't really great knives, but they do require regular maintenance right? Even to store them for any length of time, don't you have to coat them in some kind of WAX or something so they won't rust? They look really awesome, but why must must they rust :(
 
everything will rust eventually.

depends on the amount and duration of exposure.

when im camping, normally 3-4 days, my knives are left in their sheaths overnight. i dont wipe them down or oil them. the only rust ive had on a busse was on a d2 filet knife i left on a table overnight.


what most of us like about infi is it is a great combination of corrosion resistance, edge retention, toughness, and ease of sharpening.

it is not the BEST at any of these traits, but does them all very well.

the rust that other members have experienced appeared to be very superficial and didnt appear to require much to remove.

as with any piece of equipment, some level of maintenance and care is required.

if a troop does not clean their firearm, they will have malfunctions. does that mean it is unreliable? no, just needs some care.
 
For a non-stainless steel ( Chromium content less than 13% ), INFI requires minimal care. Artilary6, check Jerry's comments about INFI on the BUSSE COMBAT web site. Pete
 
I have searched about INFI rusting, and from what I found it seems to be pretty decent as far as corrosion resistance goes. I was just wondering, does anybody mind if they are out on a camping trip or something for a couple weeks and they have to constantly care for their super expensive knife blade because if they don't it will likely develop rust? Personally, I find it hard to get past the fact that a knife that expensive, designed for hard use in combat environments could rust on you if you don't constantly wipe it off and oil it. I doubt any military would even think of issuing a rust-prone knife to soldiers in the field who need dependable equipment. I can clearly see that Busse knives are super good because so many people praise them, but they RUST! Doesn't that bother you? Are they ideal for combat environments other than the bone dry desert? I saw some pics of a Battle Mistress with a ton of rust all along the edge where the black coating flaked off. Would a soldier appreciate that? I am not saying they aren't really great knives, but they do require regular maintenance right? Even to store them for any length of time, don't you have to coat them in some kind of WAX or something so they won't rust? They look really awesome, but why must must they rust :(

I like to think of myself as a swordsman. That is to say, I collect and practice with swords - and not wall-flower, stainless steel decorative swords, but blades designed for combat use, both modern and old. These are all carbon steel items, highly prone to rust under certain circumstances. Yet these are also the kind of items soldiers used, in the field, for many centuries. And they rust, and a lot, if not properly cared for.

Yes, it does bother me that blades rust. Things would be somewhat easier if they did not. But it doesn't bother me so much that I'd wish to avoid carbon steel blades, especially not when stainless steel rusts quite readily, as well, in the right (or should I say wrong) conditions.

INFI does not require "constant care", though, and neither do any other decent steels I know of. All the maintenance I can typically be bothered to do in the field is wiping excess dirt and moisture off the blade by giving it a couple of swipes on the sleeve of my shirt or coat, or perhaps trouser legs. No oil - who has time to oil their knives in the field, much less in a combat environment? I haven't had INFI rust in the field, not in the winter, not even a little. I've had other carbon steel blades develop a little surface rust, but that really is quite meaningless. Once I get home, I'll polish them a little with Flitz or something, and oil them, and that'll take care of the issue, and only leave a little patina on the blade.

To store knives made out of non-stainless steels, wax and such are hardly necessary. All I do is spread a little mineral oil on the blade, and it's ready for storage. It's not rocket science - they're not so rust prone that they'd just rust away on their own. I've never used any wax on INFI. In fact, my newest Badger Attack and Game Warden are still sitting naked on a desk, and I haven't even oiled them once.

I wouldn't mind carrying a non-stainless blade in combat, or in the woods, or anywhere with the exception of diving underwater. For diving, you'll want something very stainless, or perhaps something made of titanium or the like.
 
The Busse's that I have that are coatingless (yes I had to re write that a couple of times, Nekkid Busse just sounded so wrong) :p are stored in their leather sheaths and no issues so far since 02 for a couple of them. I've left them out over night, by morning covered in dew, wiped er off and no patina.

I've had stainless knives rust quicker, INFI is amazing stuff. :)

Edit to add: Dont forget the original Combat Knife, the KaBar is 1095, one of the most rust prone steels out there. I've seen examples that had seen action that simply had a patina.
 
Edit to add: Dont forget the original Combat Knife, the KaBar is 1095, one of the most rust prone steels out there. I've seen examples that had seen action that simply had a patina.

If you think the military would not issue rust prone ANYTHING to GI's in the field you simply haven't been there.

There is only so much equipment made of plastic, aluminum and high stainless. The rest is good ol rust prone steel.

Rob
 
The Busse's that I have that are coatingless (yes I had to re write that a couple of times, Nekkid Busse just sounded so wrong) :p are stored in their leather sheaths and no issues so far since 02 for a couple of them. I've left them out over night, by morning covered in dew, wiped er off and no patina.

I've had stainless knives rust quicker, INFI is amazing stuff. :)

Edit to add: Dont forget the original Combat Knife, the KaBar is 1095, one of the most rust prone steels out there. I've seen examples that had seen action that simply had a patina.

I agree with Dwayne, my Milly (ATS-34) has 'rusted' , in the same environment where my uncoated INFI came out unscathed. :cool:
 
If you are a highly disciplined, highly motivated hard charger like me, your tool will not rust.:D
 
Cool. Sounds like its not a big issue. When I find the money to buy another knife, I might lean toward a nice, big Busse and I won't let worries of rust stop me.
Thanks,
-Ryan
 
My experience is that INFI is very similar in performance (corrosion resistance) to a semi-stainless like D2. :thumbup:
 
Rust isn't the worst thing that could happen, and ditto to what has already been said. I do like a good stainless though (VG-10) needs minimal (if any, ever) maintenance.
 
I have had D2 Dust more readily than INFI. D2 also Pitted, where the INFI only got a sprinkling of light surface rust. INFI is good stuff.
 
The Kabar USMC combat/utility knife is good old 1095. Thousands were issued during WWII, Korea, and Vietnam- if I am not mistaken.
 
Coated Busse knives used in salt water should be rinsed and oiled every day or so along the exposed(sharpened) edge.

For common use as a chopper some times exposed to rain, I did not do anything but wipe my Steel heart off on my pants for two years, common regular use will keep the rust off of the edge and the coating will take care of the rest.
 
I have had D2 Dust more readily than INFI. D2 also Pitted, where the INFI only got a sprinkling of light surface rust. INFI is good stuff.

A2 will pit if you look at it funny. That stuff has NO tolerance for moisture and neglect.

Rick
 
The Kabar USMC combat/utility knife is good old 1095. Thousands were issued during WWII, Korea, and Vietnam- if I am not mistaken.

Try hundreds of thousands. Maybe even higher. The Corps reached a stength of nearly half a million personnel at the end of WWII. Figure in the personnel transfers due to death or permament injury and your looking at quite a few knives issued in that conflict alone. Throw in Korea and Vietnam and you have even more kinves issued. I doubt anyone really knows how many have been produced.

I have a Kabar and it did pick up a little corrosion from being stored in a leather sheath for the better part of 5 years with very little use. However it cleaned up just fine. If rust prone 1095 is that easy to take care of I am not worried about INFI rusting.
 
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