Noob question - OTF collecting in PA

maj28

maj28

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Feel free to move this if I'm in the wrong area, I apologize.

I've been looking at these forums from google results for some time now and finally had a question I could not find the answer to and thought I'd ask the experts.

(Brief intro: I'm Jason, from western Pennsylvania, I've owned knives since I was ten, from my first Victorinox Huntsman when I was 10, now with my current collection including a 585 Mini Barrage, Spyderco Salt, black on black limited edition Osborne 940, blue Tenacious, and LE White Endura 4.)

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I've pre-ordered the much-anticipated Zombie knife OTF from Microtech and here in the great state (sarcasm) of Pennsylvania, my ownership is conditional that I be law enforcement or COLLECTOR.

One of my knife buddies and I regularly will go out for food and bring out our latest pieces and show them off in vehicles in the lot or wherever else.

How would I demonstrate, in an encounter with law enforcement that I'm a collector? Anyone ever dealt with this? I know an issue is unlikely when not being irresponsible, but I'd like to be as legit as possible.

Thanks in advance fellow blade fans!
-jason
 
maj28 said:
I've pre-ordered the much-anticipated Zombie knife OTF from Microtech and here in the great state (sarcasm) of Pennsylvania, my ownership is conditional that I be law enforcement or COLLECTOR.
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I hear the zombies in Pa. have really become quite the nuisance.

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maj28 said:
Feel free to move this if I'm in the wrong area, I apologize.

I've been looking at these forums from google results for some time now and finally had a question I could not find the answer to and thought I'd ask the experts.

(Brief intro: I'm Jason, from western Pennsylvania, I've owned knives since I was ten, from my first Victorinox Huntsman when I was 10, now with my current collection including a 585 Mini Barrage, Spyderco Salt, black on black limited edition Osborne 940, blue Tenacious, and LE White Endura 4.)

Skip here, if you want to get right to the meat...
I've pre-ordered the much-anticipated Zombie knife OTF from Microtech and here in the great state (sarcasm) of Pennsylvania, my ownership is conditional that I be law enforcement or COLLECTOR.

One of my knife buddies and I regularly will go out for food and bring out our latest pieces and show them off in vehicles in the lot or wherever else.

How would I demonstrate, in an encounter with law enforcement that I'm a collector? Anyone ever dealt with this? I know an issue is unlikely when not being irresponsible, but I'd like to be as legit as possible.

Thanks in advance fellow blade fans!
-jason
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You can't demonstrate that you are a collector if you carry the knife, however, you will be demonstrating a good bit of brandishing to any LEOs who notice you carrying the knife.
 
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CWL, I should've been more clear, I didn't mean brandishing, just having my buddy hop in my car before we grab some mexican or something. I do like free tacos though...

Hans, not sure on this sites policy, just Bing "microtech zombie knife otf", 4th link.

-jason
 
maj28 said:
CWL, I should've been more clear, I didn't mean brandishing, just having my buddy hop in my car before we grab some mexican or something. I do like free tacos though...

Hans, not sure on this sites policy, just Bing "microtech zombie knife otf", 4th link.

-jason
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If you get caught carrying any auto in Pa. you're going to have a problem. It's that simple.
 
maj28 said:
CWL, I should've been more clear, I didn't mean brandishing, just having my buddy hop in my car before we grab some mexican or something. I do like free tacos though...

Hans, not sure on this sites policy, just Bing "microtech zombie knife otf", 4th link.

-jason
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Ok thanks mate.
 
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If you get caught carrying any auto in Pa. you're going to have problem. It's that simple.
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Yeah, it's sounding more and more like I'm stuck keeping it at home or in an awkward locked display box.

No prob Hans, good luck, hopefully you get one.

-j
 
maj28 said:
Yeah, it's sounding more and more like I'm stuck keeping it at home or in an awkward locked display box.

-j
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It is what it is. If you feel strongly about carrying an auto, look up Knife Rights and get involved.
 
maj28 said:
Yeah, it's sounding more and more like I'm stuck keeping it at home or in an awkward locked display box.

No prob Hans, good luck, hopefully you get one.

-j
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That is closer to "collecting" something than keeping it on your person. If you keep it within reach of you or in your car, you are carrying the auto knife. I suggest that you do keep your auto knives at home. Invite your friends to see them there. That's how I do it with my auto knives.

I don't know if you are a minor or not, but don't mess with the law as it will screw-up your ability to own firearms (and find jobs, join the military, police, fire dept., etc.)

PA has pretty good firearms CCW laws, including the ability to carry suppressed pistols. Don't ruin your life by getting nabbed in a parking lot with an auto knife.
 
CWL, that's one of my primary concerns, as I do have my CCW. I think it's going to stay home, sadly. I'm 28.

-j
 
maj28 said:
CWL, that's on of my primary concerns, as I do have my CCW. I think it's going to stay home, sadly.

-j
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Good call. It is sad that we can carry a legally concealed firearm with a CCW and still get arrested for carrying an automatic knife.
 
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Looks like everyone has given you sound advice. I concur based on my understanding of PA law as well.

I should take this time to point out you already violated federal law by ordering it in the first place. Well, technically the business the sold it to you violated the law, not you. But all of you with any funny ideas about getting these, keep that in mind.
 
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Looks like everyone has given you sound advice. I concur based on my understanding of PA law as well.

I should take this time to point out you already violated federal law by ordering it in the first place. Well, technically the business the sold it to you violated the law, not you. But all of you with any funny ideas about getting these, keep that in mind.
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This vendor and another vendor with a very large website HQ'd in Utah ships autos regularly and are pretty well known, if they really were violating the law I doubt they'd still be in business. There must be some loophole....

-J
 
Your allowed to own an auto knife in PA..Your not allowed to carry it..ANYWHERE.I don't agree with it but its pretty straightforward.CD
 
The solution to Pennsylvania's knife laws is to change the law and Knife Rights is working on it. Pennsylvania HB2548 would repeal the Keystone State's ban on the possession of automatic knives and enact Knife Rights' signature Knife Preemption Law. The legislation was drafted by Knife Rights Director of Legislative Affairs, Todd Rathner, and was introduced by Rep Michelle Brooks (R-17). Bipartisan Co-sponsors include Rep. Marc Gergely (D-35) and Rep. Jeff Pyle (R-60). Addition co-sponsors can be found on the bill's sponsor page.

The bill's sponsor, Rep. Brooks said, "when Knife Rights brought to my attention the need to reform Pennsylvania's knife laws, I was pleased to sponsor this legislation as a way to make things better for the people of Pennsylvania. In a state like Pennsylvania which cherishes its outdoor heritage and to respond to the needs of our many sportsmen and sportswomen, as well as rescue teams, knife law reform just makes good sense."

"We are pleased to have gotten the ball rolling on this needed piece of common sense legislation," said Knife Rights Founder and Chairman Doug Ritter. "Pennsylvania law should fully respect the rights of knife owners and eliminate the irrational restriction on automatic knives." Knife Rights began pressing for introduction of the legislation late last year after a member from Pennsylvania highlighted ongoing issues with Pennsylvania knife law that he was willing to assist in addressing. Knife Rights quickly prepared the draft legislation and sought out the sponsor and co-sponsors. (Knife Rights' original announcement of action on this Pennsylvania bill back in November, 2011, can be found here: http://bit.ly/vE1oW0)

If you are a PA resident, please contact your state Representative and ask them to support this Knife Rights Legislation. (Click here if you aren't sure who your Representative is.)

In addition to repealing Pennsylvania's ban on the possession of automatic knives, Knife Rights also included its signature preemption language in the legislation as well. Preemption prevents cities and towns from passing ordinances inconsistent with state law, which would otherwise result in a confusing patchwork of different knife laws that are difficult or impossible for honest citizens to navigate. A "right" should be treated the same throughout the state.

Knife Rights has pioneered the passage of knife law preemption throughout the country on a state by state basis. This past May Georgia became the fourth state to enact Knife Rights' Knife Law Preemption and Missouri in July became the second state to repeal its switchblade ban.
 
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