Noob Requests Permission to Come Aboard; Has Questions

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Noob requesting permission to come aboard!

Bio info posted in profile FYI. Everyday knives are Victorinox Officer Suisse and either a CRKT M16-02 or M21-02.

I've had an interest in khukris for about 15 years or so, but never went anywhere with it. That interest has rekindled, and thanks to posts made by member 5KNIVES at Gunsnet forums, I found this forum and the HI Home and Store sites. After spending some time here lurking it is apparent that this is a really great, close community.

I am sold on the HI product from what I read and having several questions I would really appreciate your colective advice:

I intend to purchase an HI khukri one as a gift for a very close friend and outdoorsman. It would be used for general outdoors, camping, fishing, hiking activities that call for a large blade. So it needs to be robust, but not too heavy or unwieldy. No martial arts use, but the remote possibility always exists for it to be used defensively, as with any weapon. My friend is retired but quite active and independent, and travels solo with a pickup and camping trailer all across CONUS at least two and sometimes three times a year. Sometimes he's the only customer in a campground, sometimes he's one of hundreds. By choice, he's an "off the beaten path" kind of guy, and also the brother I never had. I want to get him a quality khukri, and and HI product (IMO) would fit the bill.

My "gut" feeling is to go for a 15" Ang Khola or the slightly longer Chiruwa AK with horn handle, or possibly the British Army Service with horn handle. Although an 18" might be more useful for brush clearing and similar activities, it seems to me that a robustly thick-bladed 15"-16" long khukri is the "best of all worlds." Am I on track here?

If not, what model(s) would you recommend given the intended purpose described above?

What are the advantages of horn vs wood handles?

Which handle material is less slippery when wet and dry?

Which is more durable?

What is the typical order/delivery time frame?

I see that Yangdu is to return in the next day or so if the travel schedule works out as originally planned. So I'd like to place an order in the next few days or a week (after she gets squared away from the trip) since I will be visiting my friend in a few weeks to a month from now.

The time, input, and assistance of the membership here is very much appreciated!

Noah
 
Welcome...

Chiruwa AK - either material will work fine. If I were really concerned about it, there is always tennis tape.

When Yangdu is running under normal conditions, delivery has in the past occurred before receipt of payment. We are talking about a couple of days maximum.

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I'd go for the 17" Ganga Ram or 16 or 18" WW2. Preferably by Bura.

All the Ang Khola's I have had have a thicker edge, which is better even for durable chopping, but doesn't cut brush as easy.

I think horn and wood are about the same. There was some problems with the horn cracking a while back, but I think they got that straightened out.
 
Welcome Noah.

Tell us a little about your friend. How big is he? How strong? Will he want to carry discretely or is he ok with packing a big knife visibly? What do you think will be his major uses for the knife? What type of environment (where does he live most of the time) ? How big are his hands?
 
Howard Wallace said:
Welcome Noah.

Tell us a little about your friend. How big is he? How strong? Will he want to carry discretely or is he ok with packing a big knife visibly? What do you think will be his major uses for the knife? What type of environment (where does he live most of the time) ? How big are his hands?

5-11, 210. Long arms, medium-large hands, good upper body strength. Camps anywhere from Maine to the desert SW to the PNW. Could find him camping anywhere in the US, two-three times a year. Major uses: General outdoors activities incl. chopping kindling, splitting wood splints for fires, brush clearing, trail blazing, prying, even butchering. Sort of the things for which one would normally use a large sheath hunting knife in addition to a machete. Since he already has those handy in his camp trailer or pickup, carrying a 16" khukri would not be a problem. He's discrete and judicious when he needs to be. With the right choice of khukri, he could "replace" two or three current edged tools.

Thank you all for your responses!

Never gave the WWII a thought, but after looking at it, I can see it might be a contender.

Noah
 
Howard's right- knowing how big your friend is, and what are 'light chores' would help. The first comes to mind is the little 12" AK or Pen knife. But if cutting small trees down, getting wood and shelter is on the list, you really need at least a 15" blade, and true chopping starts with the Chiruwa AK

Welcome, Welcome to the Cantina. I can't recall when I've seen such a robust introduction!


munk
 
Sounds like he's about my size, but heavier.

I think your gut feelings are good.

Noah Zark said:
My "gut" feeling is to go for a 15" Ang Khola or the slightly longer Chiruwa AK with horn handle, or possibly the British Army Service with horn handle. Although an 18" might be more useful for brush clearing and similar activities, it seems to me that a robustly thick-bladed 15"-16" long khukri is the "best of all worlds." Am I on track here?
You might also consider a lighter model like a 15" sirupati, 17" chainpuri, etc if chopping will be less of an emphasis. The lighter models are better at things like cutting vines but not as good at chopping.

Every khukuri is a Jack-of-all-trades, but some shine in certain applications. You really are unlikely to go wrong with any, unless the handle does not fit the user.


Noah Zark said:
What are the advantages of horn vs wood handles?

Which handle material is less slippery when wet and dry?

Which is more durable?

What is the typical order/delivery time frame?
I haven't noticed a lot of practical difference for my uses between the handle types. Both horn and wood are time proven materials. Both are natural and subject to cracking or other damage over time. That said, I've never had to replace the handle on an HI knife.

Yangdu is usually very fast with orders. It is not unusual for a knife to arrive at my doorstep 2 or 3 days after I ordered it. Things may take a little longer now while everything is still in confusion and she is settling into new routines.
 
munk said:
Welcome, Welcome to the Cantina. I can't recall when I've seen such a robust introduction!

munk

munk: I'm a windy bastidge! ;)

Ad Astra: Gracias, freut mich sehr, aber ich spreche kein spanisch. Ich spreche nur englisch, deutsch, schwedisch, und franzosisch. Danke!

Howard: I appreciate the additional insights. At the moment I'm leaning to the 16.5" WWII or the Chiruwa AK; see what others have to say.

Thanks for the welcome and the info thus far -- very friendly and helpful natives here in the Cantina. :D

Noah
 
Welcome Noah,

I'd recommend the 16" WWII or AK also, which it sounds like you are leaning towards. Honestly they are all wonderful knives. I'd also suggest taking a look at the JKM's if you wanted to give him a small utility blade too ... can't recommend those enough.

Cheers,

~ bamboo ~
 
~18"chitlangi, beauty & utility in one package
ask for one in a lighter weight, rather than heavier weight
each khuk of a given style can vary significantly


:D Welcome

for general use, generally, for most people:

under 32ounces
probably 28-29ounces better
under 28ounces chopping suffers noticbly in comparison
not that a 15" AngKhola is a slouch,
just a mile behind an 18" AK.
the 3" diff makes a world of diff
the immediate impression for me was that the 18"
was at least twice the sizze of the 15"

over 16" for chopping
under 19" for belt carry, or just general maneuverability
over 15-16", belt carry requires some thought & some adjusting
over 20", especially for a first khuk, there's a steep learning curve

the side knife (karda) is big enough for smaller camp tasks
in the khuks above 16"
smaller khuk = smaller karda, & t'other way round
My 25" Sirupati has a karda larger&heavier than the sheath knife I carried
thru my teen years.

look here for a list of discussion threads on topic:
www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2423414#post2423414
many newer threads not included

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Welcome to the cantina, Noah, this is a great place. You'll have more info than you can process real soon.........hope you enjoy it here :D
 
edit addition:

oops..................
Didn't read well enough. :rolleyes:

He wants an 18" AK
for the heavy duty work (prying/splitting/chopping)
& a KumarKarda, Sarge, PenKnife, or 12" khuk
for the smaller jobs

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Mmmmm..............

roughly ranked from heaviest to lightest
for general use
of the khuks I've tried
these are my preferences
all in the lighter end of each style weight range
& no more than an inch shorter or 1/2" longer:

18" BabyGangaRamSpecial (BGRS)
18" M43
18" AngKhola (AK)
18-19" Malla
18-19" Chitlangi :D
18" Sirupati

longer & heavier & bigger belly means better chopper
shorter/lighter means easier carry, & quicker

I like the more bulbous pommel-ends as on the chitlangi & others.
aids grip retention & just makes everything feel better

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Rather than style,
you might be better served by -first- choosing
weight & length ranges
then choose a khuk in a style you like
that meets those factors

here's a comparison chart of profile outlines for various styles:
www.himalayan-imports.com/faq/physics/Khukuri_Dynamics.html

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As an extra/replacement side-knife,
a KumarKarda is great,
can handle much more than the included karda,
and is available at a very reasonable price

A Bilton khuk would be a good alternative
& closer to a 'sheath-knife' than other khuks

These are listed under 'special items' on the shop site
http://store.yahoo.com/yhst-7333098713883/specialitems.html

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Ask Yandu (by Email) for what you want
She knows the stock ready to ship
Otherwise,
watch here for special offers that occur from time to time

The offers here are usually;
#1 overstock
#2 blems (factory seconds), but still just as good
#3 oddball blades that don't closely fit the standard weights/shapes
that are listed on the website

#3 is my favorite
And I like to actually see the blade that will ship to me


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<> Tips <> Baha'i Prayers Links --A--T--H--D
 
Welcome, Noah. For the uses you're describing, I'd suggest a chiruwa AK, or a 16.5"-18" WWII. Either handle material works well.
 
Howard Wallace said:
It is not unusual for a knife to arrive at my doorstep 2 or 3 days after I ordered it.
Maybe more precise to say 'after payment confirmed'.
Since a number of {people} had taken advantage
of the shop's 'out the door asap' handling
by never sending payment.


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<> Tips <> Baha'i Prayers Links --A--T--H--D
 
More excellent 411 from a great group of incredibly helpful inmates, er, members!

I'm really leaning to a Solomon-like solution: Order a 16.5" WWII AND a 16.5" Chiruwa AK, wrap one as a gift and let him open it, then give him the other and let him pick which one to keep. I then keep the other as my first khukri. Any faults with that logic? ;)

ddean: Much obliged for the great links; very helpful! You've contributed an awful lot of great technical 411 to that Tips forum.

T.Erdelyi: All Moses had was a cheap little reed basket back in the day when he couldn't part large bodies of water on command . . .

TO ALL: Again, thank you for your insights and the warm welcome!

Noah
 
Noah: Welcome to the Cantina and Blade Forums! Glad to have you.

You're on the right track. Here is one possible list of suspects, in approximate light-to-heavy order (can vary):

14" BDC
15" BAS
15" AK
16.5" WWII
18" Chitlangi
18" WWII
16.5" AK

Each has its own charms, but I think any from this list would be a great choice. For all-around use, my favorites from this list would be the BDC, 16.5" WWII, and 18" Chit.

I personally prefer wood on my kuks. When I had my 18" Chitlangi, I wrapped the handle in black grip tape for better purchase and to kill flash (I was in the infantry at the time of receipt). This one eventually went to a good friend, who happens to be a very active and healthy, outdoorsy lady who's about 5'10".

Glad to meet ya.

John R. Shirley, hobbit warrior. ;)
 
Welcome Noah, very well thought out first post!!!! :D :cool:

I have to agree with Hollowdweller about the 17"-18" BGRS or Baby Ganga Ram Special. It cuts like a much larger khukuri and is lighter in weight, usually, than many of the others. My BGRS is the khukuri I choose most often when doing general chores and all around tasks. The lighter and heavier khuks I have are for more specialized tasks and needs.
That may not remain true when I get my 24 ounce Foxy Folly however.:D ;)
 
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