NOS Fine India (made in England)

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Has anyone ever heard of a made in England fine India? I just got one and it says Norton Abrasives (Pike) Norton Grinding Wheel Co. Welwyn Garden City, Hertz. Its a NOS , and was dead flat, looks like it was used maybe a dozen times, by the swarf on top. The box has a tear on one end, but for its age its pretty good.Its a FB8 its says No 0, beside 8x2x1, but it measured 15/16" thick. Man this thing is quality just like the old India stones finer, harder etc. Now it measures 1/32" less thick, because i had and i choose to lap, for some odd reason it had three hairline cracks on one side , each about 1/8" long. Anyways it looked to be made that way, it looks like it maybe have been fired/vertrifed too long maybe. The cracks are gone now lost about a 1/32" of thickness. I chose to do so, so the stone would not have any weak points, and i am glad i did, because the India is my favorite, especially the Old stock, this one is just like to the Troy, Ny ones. And man aint nobody going to wear one of these out in two or three lifetimes. Man i did the grunt work with a 30 grit SIC on porcelain tile and it took over 2 hours to remove this much stone, lol my arm, and did some sweating even in the AC in my utility room!! Finished with 150 grit SIC, it will settle in Nice. Probably be close in fineness to a Soft arky when settles in. I like to keep my stones conditioned though, but with these type of indias once they settle in for some reason they dont Glaze if they are kept clean.

I wish i had enough sense to post pics, but i don't know how? Anyways its lapped, all corners chamfered, and its in Degreaser now, i prefer to use mine dry and clean with Smith's honing solution, sometimes I use the solution if i am doing a lot of work on the fine India, but most of the time i use dry. Nice color as well its kinda a tannish Orange, it has some blackish and brownish specks, not many probably about 10 specks about the size of a grain of salt, but its mostly uniform in color, the specks are just random larger grit particles that were in the mix when it was fired, but it doesn't effect the 'fineness' its a typically just like the Troy Ny, but maybe harder, the color on these are unique from other Indias!! These stones i have noticed over the past few years are getting harder to find, mostly now you see the combi stones from that time period a lot. Going to get a wooden box for it... Anyways i was curious, what time frame does this stone date?
 
I came across this quoted information from the site linked below, regarding the history of a Norton Grinding Wheel manufacturing plant built in the UK. Looks like it was a big operation in roughly the 1930-'44 timeframe and was eventually designated a key industry for manufacture of grinding wheels in support of the war effort in Europe.

On the site page linked below, there are some gallery thumbnail images to click & view. The very last thumbnail is of a product listing from the company and it shows that India oilstones were among the products manufactured there. I also included an image link of that particular catalog page at the bottom, below the quote.

( The quote and image below are linked from this site --> : https://www.welwyngarden-heritage.org/photo-gallery/category/36-norton-grinding-wheel-ltd )

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Norton Grinding Wheel Ltd​

This company was a wholly owned subsidiary of its American parent company, pioneering the development of grinding wheels and other abrasive products. In 1929 Hugo Beth, Herb Stanton and Frank Emery set out to find the perfect UK site under the instructions of Charles Allen - an ex-president of Norton Company - "I don't care where you build the plant, but I want it to be erected in a locality where the workers will have good homes, good surroundings, and room enough for a garden ... I want it to be a model Norton plant.'' The site chosen was Welwyn Garden City. When the Norton team first visited WGC it had only 9,000 of a planned 50,000 population. Norton was the second multi-national company to locate in the town and, when finished, its factory would be the largest and occupy an 11 acre site with its own rail sidings. By 1939 the company had 500 employees and with WWII brewing the plant was turned over to a British Management team. Grinding wheels were so essential to the war effort that Norton Abrasives Ltd was designated a key industry. From 1939-44 Norton ran its plant on a 24 hour-a-day, 7 day-a-week timetable. As men left for active duty they were replaced by women, eventually over one-third of the work was done by women. Norton helped keep "wheels turning" in more ways than one! Women joined the 'Norton Knitwits' to sew and knit socks, sweaters and gloves for men in the services. Norton sent monthly packages to the soldiers including homemade cakes, chocolates and cigarettes plus a newsletter to keep them up-to-date."

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I came across this quoted information from the site linked below, regarding the history of a Norton Grinding Wheel manufacturing plant built in the UK. Looks like it was a big operation in roughly the 1930-'44 timeframe and was eventually designated a key industry for manufacture of grinding wheels in support of the war effort in Europe.

On the site page linked below the quote, there are some gallery thumbnail images to click & view. The very last thumbnail is of a product listing from the company and it shows that India oilstones were among the products manufactured there. I also included an image link of that particular catalog page at the bottom, below the quote.

( The quote and image below are linked from this site --> : https://www.welwyngarden-heritage.org/photo-gallery/category/36-norton-grinding-wheel-ltd )



phoca_thumb_l_TheNortonSpirit-50yrs-16fb.jpg
Thanks for finding that information!
 
Has anyone ever heard of a made in England fine India? I just got one and it says Norton Abrasives (Pike) Norton Grinding Wheel Co. Welwyn Garden City, Hertz. Its a NOS , and was dead flat, looks like it was used maybe a dozen times, by the swarf on top. The box has a tear on one end, but for its age its pretty good.Its a FB8 its says No 0, beside 8x2x1, but it measured 15/16" thick. Man this thing is quality just like the old India stones finer, harder etc. Now it measures 1/32" less thick, because i had and i choose to lap, for some odd reason it had three hairline cracks on one side , each about 1/8" long. Anyways it looked to be made that way, it looks like it maybe have been fired/vertrifed too long maybe. The cracks are gone now lost about a 1/32" of thickness. I chose to do so, so the stone would not have any weak points, and i am glad i did, because the India is my favorite, especially the Old stock, this one is just like to the Troy, Ny ones. And man aint nobody going to wear one of these out in two or three lifetimes. Man i did the grunt work with a 30 grit SIC on porcelain tile and it took over 2 hours to remove this much stone, lol my arm, and did some sweating even in the AC in my utility room!! Finished with 150 grit SIC, it will settle in Nice. Probably be close in fineness to a Soft arky when settles in. I like to keep my stones conditioned though, but with these type of indias once they settle in for some reason they dont Glaze if they are kept clean.

I wish i had enough sense to post pics, but i don't know how? Anyways its lapped, all corners chamfered, and its in Degreaser now, i prefer to use mine dry and clean with Smith's honing solution, sometimes I use the solution if i am doing a lot of work on the fine India, but most of the time i use dry. Nice color as well its kinda a tannish Orange, it has some blackish and brownish specks, not many probably about 10 specks about the size of a grain of salt, but its mostly uniform in color, the specks are just random larger grit particles that were in the mix when it was fired, but it doesn't effect the 'fineness' its a typically just like the Troy Ny, but maybe harder, the color on these are unique from other Indias!! These stones i have noticed over the past few years are getting harder to find, mostly now you see the combi stones from that time period a lot. Going to get a wooden box for it... Anyways i was curious, what time frame does this stone date?
Norton has used both the medium and fine India's in combo stones with both softs and Washita's. They still offer that progression in a tri-hone. https://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/Norton-3-Stone-IM200S-Soft-Arkansas-System-P316.aspx
It stands to reason that when these stones were developed they fit in a niche that the arks didn't cover. India's and arks go together like PB&J in a progression.
 
Norton has used both the medium and fine India's in combo stones with both softs and Washita's. They still offer that progression in a tri-hone. https://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/Norton-3-Stone-IM200S-Soft-Arkansas-System-P316.aspx
It stands to reason that when these stones were developed they fit in a niche that the arks didn't cover. India's and arks go together like PB&J in a progression.
Just curious, have you ever heard of a Norton Behr manning aluminum oxide stone, that doesn't say "India"? I have seen adds in the past that says on the box, Aluminum oxide, Vertrifed type111, and or type 1? I wander if made these prior/pre India's?
 
Just curious, have you ever heard of a Norton Behr manning aluminum oxide stone, that doesn't say "India"? I have seen adds in the past that says on the box, Aluminum oxide, Vertrifed type111, and or type 1? I wander if made these prior/pre India's?
I don't know.
Here are a couple links that may answer your question though...

 
I don't know.
Here are a couple links that may answer your question though...

GREAT references there.^ Thanks for posting those links. :thumbsup:
 
These behr manning ones, in the fine grit vary in color, density and grit fineness from the different years they were made. Some are yellowish orange,.some are a brighter orange, some brownish red.. Some have Behr Manning on the box with the bear head emblem on the side of the stone, some Behr manning have no bear head emblem on the side of the stone, but it will have the bear head emblem on the box.Some say made in USA, some have made in the US of A? The oldest Behr manning that had the maroon sticker on the side of the stone and on the face of the box, these are typically the pale yellowish 0range. Anyways all of thsee must be made of different colors and different qualities of grit. Does anyone know which are the finer, harder ones. I wish the guy David, who has the vast knowledge of these stones would chime in, it would be greatly appreciated!!


Mike
 
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