Not being afraid 2 ask your khukuri vendor what u want or expect...

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I only ordered my first khukuri knives a few months ago. I wanted to start with one or two brands, and get various specimens of each maker before moving on to other brands and their specimens. My first choice was the Khukuri House product, which I initially ordered via their authorized ebay vendor, Khukuri House USA.

When I received these first two knives (Service #1 & #2), I found myself disappointed. These knives I did not keep.
After discussing many of the issues with you folks here, I can now look back and realize where some of the problems were real, and where some were my over expectations. I can also see how some of these problems could have been avoided.

One thing that I will first address, is my over-expectations.
Though not major issues, I did bring up the fact that the knives had some minor rust on the rivets, that one of the knives had some minor freckled rust, and some other minor issues. Now I don't see these issues as critical. My discussing these issues with you folks here have made me lighten up on them.

Now, there are some things that these first KH knives had that I still don't want to find on any of my ordered knives. These issues range from noticable fractures in the blade, to cho/kaudi fractures. I also don't want to see major etched in rust, or cracks in the handle. If a product is being sold to me as 1st quality, then don't send me a second quality.

This is where the title of this thread comes into play.
Though I was not happy with my first KH knives, I wanted to have some nice representations of their knives in my newly started khukuri collection.
When I first ordered those first two knives from Khukuri House USA, I many times requested that he send me "nice specimens".
Now I know that requesting it in that manner was not enough. It was obvious that the KH company in Nepal did not do their part in carefully inspecting their shipment to KH USA. In turn, KH USA did not carefully check their product before sending it on to me.
I continued to check out different KH vendors, and ran into one that promised to do a good job at inspecting the product before sending them out to me. Now I don't just ask for "nice specimens", but actually point out certain things that I will not find acceptable. Since I don't want to have cho/kaudi fractures, I specifically request for it to be inspected for such an issue. If the vendor is not familier with the problem, I will email them a photo of what I mean. While I won't complain about a light freckled rust that will clean up with some Flitz, I do tell them that I don't want rust that actually permanently etches the blade. All this is now what I am doing, and will continue to do with any future khukuri vendor that I use. This way if they send you an item that clearly has any of the issues you pointed out as unacceptable, then you have a better leg to stand on when confronting the vendor about it. I actually believe that most vendors will try to inspect for these issues if you point out the specifics.

I recently received a couple of KH manufactured knives from another vendor, not KH USA, and they had promised to look out for those issues that I mentioned. Sure enough, they came through for me. Smart move on their part, since they now have a regular customer (at least until I get all the models that I want from that particular manufacturer). I now have a few decent sized representations of nicely made KH products, and I believe it is mostly because I was not afraid to ask my vendor exactly what I wanted and expected.

Here is a photo I took of one of these recent knives (their World War model):

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I agree that you should never be afraid to tell a vendor what you want, but I'm of the opinion that I shouldn't have to tell a vendor "I want a product that does not contain flaws".

Interesting story, though, and I'm glad to hear you got what you were looking for in the end. Feel like doing a field test comparison for us?
 
I guess you had not read any of my earlier posts where I mentioned that these knives are only to become a part of my new hobby of collecting khukuris.

Sorry to disappoint you though :(

I agree with you that one should not "have to" request no flaws, but such is life, I guess.

When I was discussing such things on this forum, such as cho fractures, some folks here chimed in and said that even some of their HI khukuris had these fractures. So it seems that asking up front to have the knife carefully inspected for such issues is not relegated to just one company's products.

I guess better safe than sorry ;)
 
Sweet khuk Jimmy, is that a solid 1/8" brass buttplate/pommell?

I'm glad you finally got one you're happy with. Do you have any HI knives yet?
 
aproy1101 said:
Sweet khuk Jimmy, is that a solid 1/8" brass buttplate/pommell?

I'm glad you finally got one you're happy with. Do you have any HI knives yet?

Andy,

No, I don't believe the pommel is 1/8" thick brass stock. It seems to be shaped to cup the handle. I do believe the brass stock used is pretty thick though.

I actually received two KH knives from this vendor, the other being an Angkhola, (which I have pictured in another recent post where I show my last table top khukuri stand). With it too I'm very happy with it's craftsmanship :)

And no, no HI's yet, I'm working on one brand at a time right now. There are some others that I want from them. I tried Windlass, but scratch that junk right off the list... LOL!

I'll be getting all sorts of brand khukuris, but all in due time ;)

These brands will eventually include the Khukuri Palace, Nepalese Khukuri House, Himalayan Imports, and some others.
 
Wow you got a couple of brands I don't even know about. Sounds like you're starting a LARGE collection. It would take you a long time to get a comprehensive HI collection. I can see why you saved the best for last. You should get some of these DOTD's though. You'll like them. No cracks at all.
 
aproy1101 said:
Wow you got a couple of brands I don't even know about. Sounds like you're starting a LARGE collection. It would take you a long time to get a comprehensive HI collection. I can see why you saved the best for last. You should get some of these DOTD's though. You'll like them. No cracks at all.

No, Andy, I believe you may have misunderstood what I had written. Here is what I wrote:

"These brands will eventually include the Khukuri Palace, Nepalese Khukuri House, Himalayan Imports, and some others."

Eventually is the key word in that sentence ;)

HI products will sooner or later make their way into my collection, but as I stated before, "all in due time".

I will probably only add what I like, and not try for a true comprehensive collection of any one manufacturer's brand.
For instance, when I decide to buy HI khuks, they will probably only be versions with no habaki bolsters. I may also wait and see if some of their marking standards change a bit, since I do not care for much of their current stuff, and I will probably choose other traits which my eyes prefer, but that others may not.
I'm very much an individual, not falling easy to fads and the like. I'm also very traditional, and certain things take a long time to grow on me, if they ever do at all.

My main goal is to please number one (me), so what others may find as irresistable, I may not find as such.

I'll just have to wait and see where things take me ;)
 
JimmyJimenez said:
One thing that I will first address, is my over-expectations.
Though not major issues, I did bring up the fact that the knives had some minor rust on the rivets, that one of the knives had some minor freckled rust, and some other minor issues. Now I don't see these issues as critical. My discussing these issues with you folks here have made me lighten up on them.

I need to go back and re-read a thread I guess. If I buy a new khukuri that isn't listed as a blem because of rust, I consider any amount of rust to be unacceptable. Out of 41 HI khukuris, 16 HI knives and 4 HI swords purchased from Yangdu, none of them, including villagers and blems, ever had any rust on them. :thumbup:
 
I wonder if a consciencious person like Yangdu may also be taking the time to carefully inspect each and every specimen for such things as minor rust. Then, if she finds superficial freckling, maybe formed during storage or from their long trip from Nepal, she may be taking a few moments to correct the situation, (if and when she can do so). Then, if she finds "real" rust, enough to etch the blade, she automatically downgrades them to the "blem" catagory (something we know for sure that she does). This is something that the Khukuri House USA, and possibly other vendors, did/do not do, (but should definitely all do).
The KH USA owner did tell me that he had purchased some polishing equipment to avoid these types of situations in his future sales, (after dealing with my disappointments). But, I have not seen him list seconds in his ebay store. That would tell me one of three things.....

*He does not get blems/seconds from KH of Nepal (very highly unlikely, since I'm proof that he does get problems)

*He sends back any and all blems/seconds to KH in Nepal (I doubt it)

*He tries to sell all as first quality, no matter what...... (maybe I'm too harsh in thinking this, but this is probably the most likely senerio with most khukuri vendors, not including HI)

In any case, whether HI is simply avoiding most rust, or if they are simply making sure that they take care of it before shipping out to their customers, it's very good to hear :)
 
Someone closer could answer this 100%, but I'd lean toward them not being sanded on site. The mirror finish that comes on the non-villagers would show even surface rust removal I think. I believe I've seen "surface rust" in blem listings.
 
SASSAS said:
Someone closer could answer this 100%, but I'd lean toward them not being sanded on site. The mirror finish that comes on the non-villagers would show even surface rust removal I think. I believe I've seen "surface rust" in blem listings.

I'm sorry SASSAS, I did not understand what you meant by not sanding them on site, could you please clarify?
I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on this subject :)
 
JimmyJimenez said:
I'm sorry SASSAS, I did not understand what you meant by not sanding them on site, could you please clarify?

I don't believe this is happening:

JimmyJimenez said:
Then, if she finds superficial freckling, maybe formed during storage or from their long trip from Nepal, she may be taking a few moments to correct the situation, (if and when she can do so).

Like I said, someone closer could answer this 100%, but there have been no signs of it on any of the 33 mirror-finished blades I have.

EDIT: I'm not sure if you've seen an HI blade up close, but when you scuff the mirror finish, it shows.
 
SASSAS said:
I don't believe this is happening:



Like I said, someone closer could answer this 100%, but there have been no signs of it on any of the 33 mirror-finished blades I have.

Oh, I think I understand now...

You feel that HI, or any other vendor, would not be able to do rust removal once the product is Stateside? Correct?

If so, then I would agree with you in most cases, but not in all.
Out of the two knives that I had received from KH USA (knives I did not keep), they both had rust.
Both received some Flitz polishing by me, and while one had very light etching left behind by the rust, the other did not. The one that came out smooth as all get out, was so lightly freckled, that it did not leave behind any visible etching after being cleaned up with the Flitz. Though Flitz is an extremely mild polish, it does work similar to using a jewelery rouge. It does remove tiny amounts of surface metal, though many would not believe that it does. After polishing brass with a soft cloth and some Flitz, one will notice that brass will be left on the soft cloth (proving it's mild abrasive powers). Of course a heavier compound could be used for slightly tougher, but still minor surface tarnish, but only so much coarsness can be used before the compound will actually start really reshaping things quickly. Even using a very fine grade of sandpaper to first remove the minor surface rust, then followed by using some polishing rouges/compounds can be used with very good effect (depending on how much rust there is, and how careful the person doing the work is).

Anyhow, I hope this is what you were saying, if not, scratch the above statement, please :)
 
JimmyJimenez said:
Oh, I think I understand now...

You feel that HI, or any other vendor, would not be able to do rust removal once the product is Stateside? Correct?

Anyhow, I hope this is what you were saying, if not, scratch the above statement, please :)

If you hope that this is what I'm saying, you seem to be hoping I'm pretty dim.

I know anyone could be doing rust removal. I don't know anything about other vendors because I have no experience with their product and what their finish looks like.

On the HI products I have with the HI mirror finish, I know that once you scuff them, they don't return to the same mirror finish without significant work.

As I've never seen any reference to HI doing stateside sanding or buffing and I have seen surface rust being listed as a blem feature, I think it's unlikely that rust removal is occurring stateside by HI. But, as I said, it's not impossible and someone else here that is closer to the issue could give you a 100% answer.
 
JimmyJimenez said:
HI products will sooner or later make their way into my collection, but as I stated before, "all in due time".

I will probably only add what I like, and not try for a true comprehensive collection of any one manufacturer's brand.

For instance, when I decide to buy HI khuks, they will probably only be versions with no habaki bolsters. I may also wait and see if some of their marking standards change a bit, since I do not care for much of their current stuff, and I will probably choose other traits which my eyes prefer, but that others may not.

I'm very much an individual, not falling easy to fads and the like. I'm also very traditional, and certain things take a long time to grow on me, if they ever do at all.

My main goal is to please number one (me), so what others may find as irresistable, I may not find as such.

I'll just have to wait and see where things take me.

Well, this makes sense but only if you have seen the current marking standard, and you say you have no HI knives, so I am interested in the source of your perception. (?) These markings are not really visible until you hold the knife in person and get an idea as to how instrusive or not they really are. Except for occasional sloppy markings of their initials only on some models at some times from some kamis, this is not a big issue when contrasted with the quality of the blade. In addition, all Villagers and Sgt. khadkas blades don't have this issue, nor do Kumars any longer. The devangari script is very tasteful and authentic, and I would not hold my breath waiting for the "U.B." on the obverse side of the blade at the bolster to disappear.

Also, I have been one of the more vocal advocates for standard bolsters, but many HI models still come with the habaki bolster and there is nothing functionally wrong with that. I admit I don't like it on a BAS or on many models, however several models do set it off very well. You are cutting your possible model selection by at least a third with that single criterion, which is something to be considered. I would not own a Tin Chirra, or Movie Model, or Chitlangi or any one of a number of fine knives if that was one of my prime criteria.

As far as some of the company names you mention, I don't want to get into a comparison war, but will just say that there are many, many companies that provide tourist models as all or part of their line. I have some great knives from some of the "House/Palace" manufacturers, but I had to wade through their lineup to find them, unknowingly buying several wall hangars in the process. HI consistently provides working hard use models, as well as interesting historical creations and beauties such as today's 18" antler Memorial Salyan, and with 80-100 models out there is responsible for more constant innovation on an ongoing basis than with all the other "Houses" combined.

With regards to the quality / rust discussion, out of a couple of hundred deliveries I have had unexpected minor rust on just two knives. Interestingly enough, they were both on the exposed part of the tang of Chiruwa AK's, and not on the blades themselves. A few minutes with polish and they were cleaned up.

BTW, HI used to use rivets on the back of their frogs, but went to the laced superfrog a few years ago specifically to eliminate the rusting issue. HI provides their customers the knives as they get them, and there is no additional polishing / buffing done stateside prior to delivery.

I would pick one or two models you really like from HI, with the features you want, and see about getting them in the next few months. Even a couple of blems, and then compare them to the quality of the stuff you have been getting elsewhere, and I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Being able to email Yangdu and voice any complaints or issues with what you get is a big plus as well!

Norm
 
Moving this thread from the HI forum to the General forum, as it is primarily about other manufacturers' knives.
 
Svashtar said:
Well, this makes sense but only if you have seen the current marking standard, and you say you have no HI knives, so I am interested in the source of your perception. (?) These markings are not really visible until you hold the knife in person and get an idea as to how instrusive or not they really are. Except for occasional sloppy markings of their initials only on some models at some times from some kamis, this is not a big issue when contrasted with the quality of the blade. In addition, all Villagers and Sgt. khadkas blades don't have this issue, nor do Kumars any longer. The devangari script is very tasteful and authentic, and I would not hold my breath waiting for the "U.B." on the obverse side of the blade at the bolster to disappear.

Also, I have been one of the more vocal advocates for standard bolsters, but many HI models still come with the habaki bolster and there is nothing functionally wrong with that. I admit I don't like it on a BAS or on many models, however several models do set it off very well. You are cutting your possible model selection by at least a third with that single criterion, which is something to be considered. I would not own a Tin Chirra, or Movie Model, or Chitlangi or any one of a number of fine knives if that was one of my prime criteria.

As far as some of the company names you mention, I don't want to get into a comparison war, but will just say that there are many, many companies that provide tourist models as all or part of their line. I have some great knives from some of the "House/Palace" manufacturers, but I had to wade through their lineup to find them, unknowingly buying several wall hangars in the process. HI consistently provides working hard use models, as well as interesting historical creations and beauties such as today's 18" antler Memorial Salyan, and with 80-100 models out there is responsible for more constant innovation on an ongoing basis than with all the other "Houses" combined.

With regards to the quality / rust discussion, out of a couple of hundred deliveries I have had unexpected minor rust on just two knives. Interestingly enough, they were both on the exposed part of the tang of Chiruwa AK's, and not on the blades themselves. A few minutes with polish and they were cleaned up.

BTW, HI used to use rivets on the back of their frogs, but went to the laced superfrog a few years ago specifically to eliminate the rusting issue. HI provides their customers the knives as they get them, and there is no additional polishing / buffing done stateside prior to delivery.

I would pick one or two models you really like from HI, with the features you want, and see about getting them in the next few months. Even a couple of blems, and then compare them to the quality of the stuff you have been getting elsewhere, and I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Being able to email Yangdu and voice any complaints or issues with what you get is a big plus as well!

Norm

I'm not sure what's causing this confusion here, but I never said that HI does any work on their knives once Stateside. I did say, from what I read so far of Yangdu, that she "may" be the type of person who would take that extra measure to make things right before sending product out. Nowhere did I say this rust removal "was" happening. Actually, if you carefully read my post, you would see that I was showing nothing but respect for Yangdu.

As for the HI marking standards, I have seen enough very close up photos of fellow forum members knives to know what markings I like, and which ones I don't like. You know that phrase "a picture is worth a thousand words"? Well, many of the photos shared by HI knife owners clearly show the execution of their knife markings.
The HI company marking I like, the U.B. marking I don't like (and no, I have nothing against the UB marking idea, just it's execution). As a matter of fact, there have been other folks on this forum that own these knives that have said they would also like the execution of the UB lettering to be done better, so this is not some radical thing that only I have commented on. The standard bolster I like, the habaki I don't, (and yes, I'm well aware that they currently offer both types). All of this, of course, is my opinion. I surely believe that I am entitled to that, am I not? Just like I said somewhere above, I like what I like, and outside pressure/fads do little to affect my own personal likings.
As for this.....
"I would not hold my breath waiting for the "U.B." on the obverse side of the blade at the bolster to disappear."

I respond by saying........ That is definitely their decision to make, and nobody is saying anything contrary.
Also, I never said that UB should disappear, only that a better execution could be performed.
Now, if I care to hold my breath to wait and see if any possible evolution of certain HI criteria occurs, that is my decision to make, is it not?
My opinions and comments are not put out to provoke online fights, they are simply my views :)
I will see your views as just that, "your views". I will not take them as a license to pick a fight with you, or anybody else :)




SASSAS,

Nobody is considering you dim, my friend :)
I was only trying to understand what you were trying to get across. And I was only explaining that not all minor tarnish on a polished blade will ruin it. Sometimes it can be extremely superficial, enough so that minutes of polishing (even with as little as mild Flitz) "may" or "may not" take care of the situation.

Good night ya'll...... :)
 
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