Nothing on you..........

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Robbie Roberson

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I've been thinking.....:eek: I think they should make a survival show where it would simulate something happening like a bad storm etc. and the results there after.

Barely clothes on your back, no water, no bedding, no shelter, no matches............and worst of all, no knife or tools of any kind.

IMO.......survival at this point should be counted by the minute......and then the next hours and a day and so on.


I often step outside at night with just short pants on and no shirt just to feel the cold...........and often think if it would be possible to pull a "Rambo" type deal when he escaped on the bike and had to make a pullover with an old blanket in the truck.......I know........it's just a movie. :D

But could I do it ? I doubt it. :o





Robbie Roberson ;)
 
Robbie Roberson said:
...But could I do it ? I doubt it.
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You know, I think I'd be more likely to bet on the guy who *doubts* his ability to survive--and plays it safe--than the guy who's convinced he can do it and takes too many risks.

That's why we all come here to post. To learn, not to boast. I know I'd be screwed in most survival situations, but I'm learning that it doesn't take much to improve my odds significantly.
 
I know, it hurt me to say it, but I figured it would be very possible for the survivee not to have a blade on his person at the time.

Man this would be a tough situation, but I think it could be done.

I drove by a huge pile of mulch the other day, it was in the 30s and there was a dog laying right in the middle of it, all hunkered down, and warm as toast I bet. :D

It tells me a person could dig down and stay perfectly warm if the need arose.

This is the type of "extreme situation" survival that I am talking about.

If you had no matches, no way to make fire at the time, you better be thinking of ways to get warm if it's cold.

Giant rolled hay bales put off lots of heat, as do barn lofts and hay piles.

Of course, survival would depend on where you were located, I doubt there are many mulch piles in NYC.

But there are other things............

http://www.css.cornell.edu/compost/physics.html


Robbie Roberson ;)
 
The only scenario I could imagine like that would be a plane crash since they wont even let me bring my sak anymore. I often wonder about that scenario, but in that case i hopefully would at least have some pieces of reckage to work with.
 
Robbie, how could you................no knife :D When do any of us ever go anywhere without one. I think more then anything, the will to live is what makes someone survive. It doesn't matter what you have with you, if you lose the will, you're finished.
Scott
 
EmsRescueGuy said:
The only scenario I could imagine like that would be a plane crash since they wont even let me bring my sak anymore. I often wonder about that scenario, but in that case i hopefully would at least have some pieces of reckage to work with.
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Even with 2 broken legs and a severed arm, I'd crawl to the burning cargo hold to find my luggage which would have my PSK in it. :thumbup: :D

Remember, we can't carry stuff on with us, but, we can still pack whatever we need in our lchecked uggage, at least in terms of a blade. I put mine in my shaing kit, so it all looks like it belongs there, bunch of metal stuff.

Using the environment, lncluding wreckage is all part of the survivors game plan. a piece of sheet metal is a better knife than your index finger.

Doc is right, (with the exception of a air flight) I'm gonna have something with me. Even if it's just my Leatherman Squirt P4 on my keyring. But if I have that, my PSK isn't far behind.

It's all about increasing the odds for survival.
 
where that could have happened. Last year I had jury duty for a month. If an earthquake had damaged the building all I would have had to work with would have been keys and a pen. And what ever I could salvage from the wreckage. Not a prospect I would relish.

Frank
 
Robbie, I think you could do it. Just the fact that you ask the question tells me that.

I look at these Survivor shows and chuckle. There are always a few good guys that know what they are doing. They are always the first guys to get voted off by the weaklings because they are a threat. That just shows how politics work.

I would really like to see a survival show that is about survival, not about a bunch of anorexic chicks in bikinis copping an attitude about the men in their group.
 
SkunkWerX said:
Doc is right, (with the exception of a air flight) I'm gonna have something with me. Even if it's just my Leatherman Squirt P4 on my keyring. But if I have that, my PSK isn't far behind.
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Not just on an air flight (BTW, I'm the one person in the Northern Hemisphere that has never been on a plane), but as SilverFoxKnows posted above, court rooms don't allow knives, and probably some other government buildings, as well.

Doc
 
Scott, I agree, I think the will to live is probably the most important thing........first.

SilverFoxKnows, exactly, you are right on.

I have read many enjoyable survival threads where knives etc. were abundant. But I have often wondered if I could survive with only the clothes I have on.

Or like SkunkWerX says, "a piece of sheet metal is a better knife than your index finger."

EmsRescueGuy also says, "i hopefully would at least have some pieces of reckage to work with", this proves we are all on the same page I think.

All you have to do is insert your location, and then start thinking of anything around you that could be a good start to survival in a bad situation or disaster.

For me, it means I need to work on my fire starting skills very badly...(I live near the mountains)...last time I tried, I got smoke and then my shoe lace broke........:o

Coldwood, I would like to think I could survive, if no other reason than for my family.

Thanks for saying I could though....




Robbie Roberson ;)
 
check your local listings for Man vs Wild! this guys is dropped in various places like the utah desert, the rainforest and the alps, with only a bottle of water and a knife! he goes for days at a time looking for a way home basically...lots of useful info. it's my new favorite show.
 
greenknight said:
check your local listings for Man vs Wild! this guys is dropped in various places like the utah desert, the rainforest and the alps, with only a bottle of water and a knife! he goes for days at a time looking for a way home basically...lots of useful info. it's my new favorite show.
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Bear Grylls knows how important a knife is ... but I believe a stipulation of this discussion is no knife.
 
Yes, blades are so important.

I just thought it would be neat to hear some different views when it comes to having nothing on you....... :D

So far, it's been interesting......


Robbie Roberson ;)
 
I would take matches over a knife. It wouldnt be fun but it can be done. I'm no bow/drill expert so I think fire w/o matches is my weak point. For most its the same, In a rain forest id take the machette over the matches though:D
 
I'll tell you. I believe that I could handle just about any situation providing, and I know this may sound stupid, but my clothes, which should be appropriate for the weather. Even if I made the best shelter imaginable without decent clothing I am probably going to die. Next I would prefer to have a lighter and my BK1 and then my becker necker or spyderco dragonfly. After that I think I could handle just about anything. Now I still might die, might wind up losing digits or maybe limbs to frostbite but psychologically I would be in a good place.


KR
 
DOC-CANADA said:
Not just on an air flight (BTW, I'm the one person in the Northern Hemisphere that has never been on a plane), but as SilverFoxKnows posted above, court rooms don't allow knives, and probably some other government buildings, as well.

Doc
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In the state of California, the folder that I routinely carry is illegal on all campuses. Not that it stops me ....

I hate flying commercial. First they decided I couldn't fly with a knife. Then I can't get on without shoes. Now I'm not allowed to carry on water. At what point is it reasonable to decide that flying commerical aviation is too freaking dangerous to do? (My threshold was and is the no-water rule. If it's too dangerous to carry a bottle of water on board, it's too damn dangerous to fly.)

I sometimes climb into small cessna-style aircraft that my friends like to fly. I carry a full wilderness kit when I do that, including the biggest fixed blade that I can fit into my possibles bag.
 
bulgron said:
I hate flying commercial. First they decided I couldn't fly with a knife. Then I can't get on without shoes. Now I'm not allowed to carry on water. At what point is it reasonable to decide that flying commerical aviation is too freaking dangerous to do? (My threshold was and is the no-water rule. If it's too dangerous to carry a bottle of water on board, it's too damn dangerous to fly.)
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You ain't seen nothing yet. I am waiting for when these smart boys (terrorists) figure out that they can pack enough c-4 in their rectum to take a plane down. The first time that happens get ready.

Body cavity searches for everybody. Then it will really be a pleasure to fly.

KR
 
kr1 said:
You ain't seen nothing yet. I am waiting for when these smart boys (terrorists) figure out that they can pack enough c-4 in their rectum to take a plane down. The first time that happens get ready.

Body cavity searches for everybody. Then it will really be a pleasure to fly.

KR
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I can hear it now "would you like the fresh scent lube or the cherry sir?":barf: :foot: :eek:
 
DOC-CANADA said:
Not just on an air flight (BTW, I'm the one person in the Northern Hemisphere that has never been on a plane), but as SilverFoxKnows posted above, court rooms don't allow knives, and probably some other government buildings, as well.

Doc
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Doc, agreed, there are those freak things, where you are not allowed to be fully prepared....OK, so the courthouse collapses in an earthquake.
You are digging out? A court will allow a pocket LED flashlight, right??
You may not have your favorite Multi-tool, but, you have an LED light good for 50 hours, that's a heckuvva start. You are smart enough to tear your shirt and make a dust mask out of it. You are aware enough of your surroundings to know the best way to try to dig to get out...and so on.
My point being we should do whatever we can to prepare, to mitigate a situation. When I was on jury duty I carried a litre of water with me and coat/jacket enough for the coldest night during that time of year, flahlight in my pocket, which is my normal set-up.

If we want to, we can reduce chances even more by saying you are pinned under a steel I-beam, and your PSK is 10 feet away, but you have no way to reach it and there are Zombies on the way to eat your flesh...
They are the hypothetical "what if" scenarios.

We should prepare best for the things that are more likely.
Car breaking down, and such.
We spend most of our time at home and at work. I would submit those are the two places we should be the MOST prepared for a "situation".

More likely, (for me at least), is that something happens in my building while I am at work.
I have my SquirtP4, Gerber lockback, a decent flashlight, bottles of water and other goodies (I am part of the Emergency Preparedness Team for our complex, go figure?)

personal action list:
First step - is First Aid, are you OK.
Second Step - is assess the situation, gas leaks? fire? cave in?
Third Step - is to get to my vehicle. If roads are blocked I still have gotten to my vehicle for more supplies and can then determine to stay put, or strike out for home.

I titled it a "Personal List" because we are all going to give humanitarian aid to our friends and co-workers, try to lend a hand, etc.
I have a family that needs me, so at some point, I will have to leave my friends and co-workers and try to get home.

If all esle fails I have my cool orange safety vest! whoo hoo! :thumbup:


Our Emergency Preparedness Team is responsible for a office complex/campus of approx. 3000 employees.
We run the fire drills, bomb scares, evacs, etc. etc.
We just wrote a "shelter in place" policy should Law Enforcement close roads, and call for us to stay put. Our building has a sizeable cafeteria so we may be able to do OK for 24 hours or so, beyond that, it's gonna deteriorate quickly.

I am trying to impress upon everyone what it may be like:
If no municipal water to the building, then sanitation becomes super-ugly , super fast.
Safe drinking water also becomes an issue after all the drink machine are emptied and the cafeteria is out of drinks. (My personal stash is a case of bottled water in my lower desk drawer).

I think the bottom line is to stay as reasonably prepared as possible for the more likey situations and try to have mapped out your PLAN and possible alternatives should your path be blocked.

if you take a commuter train to work everyday, then you have cause to plan for a problem surrounding the train. If you fly commerical airlines a lot for business, then you have need to plan those possible situations.

I concentrate on Home, Work, and in my Car.
Those 3 places account for my whereabouts a vast amount of the time.
 
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