NRA Firearm and DTEL Defensive pistol training.

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Hi JK friends -

John asked me to post some information regarding the training I have been taking over the past year.

I have been taking pistol training through both the NRA and the Defensive Tactics Excellence League (D.T.E.L).

DTEL does law enforcement tactical training and certifications for Illinois law enforcement agencies.

My background is that of an avid range urchin, but I have had no tactical training until the past year.

I began taking the NRA courses as part of my plan of becoming a Certified NRA Pistol Instructor.

I had taken a Basic Gun Safety course locally, and I was not happy with the way the class was presented. I decided I wanted to become a trainer so that I could train my friends and family in the safe use and handling of firearms, specifically pistols.

The NRA Basic course is the course that a person who has never handled a firearm can take to get some confidence and experience, as well as some ingrained good safety habits. The emphasis is on safety, and also covers gun selection, proper gun storage and maintenance, proper shooting form and techniques. The class requires demonstration of safe gun handling at the range, and proper form for shooting at distances of 10-15-and 20 feet. The shooting is designed to quickly get a new shooter "on the paper" and enjoying the experience, decreasing anxiety and lack of confidence.

From there, you can take Basic Defense in the Home, Advanced Defense in the Home, and both Basic and Advanced Defense Outside the home.
These classes are more involved in when to use your gun, dealing with an intruder or potential attacker, and then dealing with the police. The courses build on the strong gun safety habits learned in the basic courses. You will also learn to draw from a holster, holster selection and topics associated with defensive use of a gun.

The DTEL courses take you a step further, with extensive range training (hours and hours at the firing line) learning to clear stovepipe malfunctions, double feed malfunctions, and proper engagement of a threat in body armor etc. Things to "Keep you in the fight!" The instructor has 30 years of law enforcement experience and tactical training experience. In this course, they do not worry about hurting your feelings, you are there to get drilled and get better. If you muzzle sweep the other shooters or exhibit any unsafe practices, you will be asked to leave immediately. These are not your mothers training courses.

I highly recommend taking the NRA classes, and for any shooter I do recommend the Basic course at a minimum; everyone can learn something.

For the beginners, it is good as it shows you ways to put your new skills to use (Marksmanship badges and rockers, and competitive shooting etc).

If any of you have any questions, I would be happy to assist or point you in the right direction.

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mqqn
 
Very cool. I've recently taken Basic pistol training, Basic Defense Inside the Home, and this fall will be taking Basic Defense Outside the Home. My Instructor is also my martial arts instructor. My goal is to couple my 33 years of martial arts training with gun training and eventually teach gun classes too. It's speedy, but the hours spent at the range have paid off...my groupings are pretty tight and my confidence is up.
 
I`ve been reading so much about the 16 hours of training needed for the Illinois CCW, that will need to be approved by the ISP. Are any of these classes on their list of approved classes (has a list even been made yet?). I know how much Illinois likes to drag their feet on everything.
 
I`ve been reading so much about the 16 hours of training needed for the Illinois CCW, that will need to be approved by the ISP. Are any of these classes on their list of approved classes (has a list even been made yet?). I know how much Illinois likes to drag their feet on everything.

Nobody is 100% sure what Illinois and the ISP is going to require, but certainly the NRA Basic course (8 hours with live firing) and one of the Person Protection basics (9 hours with live firing) does meet the requirements as listed in HB183.

What I am not sure about is how the ISP will approve trainers per this info on the ISP web site

ISP web site said:
On September 7, 2013, the ISP will begin approval of certified firearms instructors and firearm training courses. A registry of approved instructors and courses will be available on the ISP webpage.

Since the ISP is suffering from the mismanagement of public funds from our state government; and we know it already takes a couple of months just to receive your FOID card (the only state that even has this registration of gun owners....), it will be difficult for the ISP to keep up.

I am betting that the ISP will approve the NRA classes and NRA Certified Firearms Instructors.

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mqqn
 
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It took Becky and Dave 9 weeks to get their renewals in the mail. Connie just sent hers in Saturday.
 
Yes, the ISP is overwhelmed and I don't think they were asked if they could administer the new regulations.

From the ISP CW FAQ web site -

ISP web site said:
Certification from an entity approved by the Illinois State Police that offers firearm instructor education and training in the use and safety of firearms

That is where I am thinking they will be allowing certified NRA instructors and curriculum.

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mqqn
 
If anyone is interested, Bass Pro has Remington .45 ACP for $25 a box, with a purchase limit of 200 rounds a day.
 
Hope you are enjoying your training Andy...the private defensive instruction I got was great and really helped my shooting a ton.
 
If anyone is interested, Bass Pro has Remington .45 ACP for $25 a box, with a purchase limit of 200 rounds a day.

Thanks for the heads up - I was able to find .45 230gr in the winchester 100rd box for $40 per box at Walmart. I also found 100rd CCI 22lr hp for $7 per box. Limit was 3 boxes total of any size per visit per foid card.

Hope you are enjoying your training Andy...the private defensive instruction I got was great and really helped my shooting a ton.

Thanks Sean - I remember your post, but I don't remember the group you worked with. Did they offer you any Illinois credentials such as PERC?

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mqqn
 
No Walmart within 30 miles of us has any .45 or 9mm. Farm & Fleet, Big R, and everyone is out.
 
No Walmart within 30 miles of us has any .45 or 9mm. Farm & Fleet, Big R, and everyone is out.


I have been having good luck finding ammo in recent weeks. Don't go there after work / dinner time, go just before lunch time and see what they have.

The one in Baraboo Wi had a nice selection of pistol ammo, and the one in East Peoria had .22, .45 and some other misc stuff.

I have been able to get as much .40, .45acp, 9mm and .25acp I want recently. 22lr is still sketchy to find.

Of course I don't have 5000 rounds squirreled away in my basement waiting for doomsday, I just have several hundred on hand in each caliber so I can do range training and take the girls plinking.

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mqqn
 
The group that I trained with is called Civilian Combat and they are based in Indiana. While they do quite a bit of LE training, I don't know if they offer any state certified programs.

I guess when the courts told the state they had 180 days to pass some sort of legislation, there was no time limit on how long it would take to get the program functioning??!?!??!
 
The local farm store and Walmart seem to be getting in a steady flow, but of course it is all gone before I get there. Luckily I know a guy who knows a guy:rolleyes: and was able to get a couple bricks of .22.

Picked up five boxes of 9mm at the Cabela's in Mitchell, SD on the way through a couple weeks ago. So if any of you folks pass through South Dakota, it may be worth a stop.:D
 
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