NYC: "adapted for use primarily as a weapon"

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CrayZ

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"It is illegal to own any knife adapted for use primarily as a weapon"

What the heck does that mean?

I want to bring this knife into NYC:

http://www.monkeyedge.com/Strider-Knives-Custom-Mick-Strider-Custom-Coated-p/sk1039.htm

The blade length is 3.75 inches and it is a fixed blade.

Seems to meet legal criteria but a person could choose to use it primarily as a weapon.

Just like I could carry a marble rye and primarily use it as a weapon (club) if I chose to, instead of eating it.
 
Did you read the blurb on that ad?

The SLCC was designed with purpose to be flat and shorter than a "normal" fixed blade, yet still provide full fixed blade capabilities. The SLCC has found great favor with military, law enforcement, and armed folks who appreciate its ease of carry.

We have seen them just static corded inside the waistband, behind mag pouches on plate carriers or duty belts, sewn into jacket liners, and every other thing you can imagine!​

It was designed as a backup weapon
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Did you read the blurb on that ad?

The SLCC was designed with purpose to be flat and shorter than a "normal" fixed blade, yet still provide full fixed blade capabilities. The SLCC has found great favor with military, law enforcement, and armed folks who appreciate its ease of carry.

We have seen them just static corded inside the waistband, behind mag pouches on plate carriers or duty belts, sewn into jacket liners, and every other thing you can imagine!​

It was designed as a backup weapon
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I see...

It was designed to be a weapon.

Can you point me to a NYC legal knife that I can use to defend myself.

I want something that is a fixed blade and it must be less then 4".

Maybe I should get a quality kitchen knife and make a kydex sheath for it.

Of course, the NYPD might arrest me me having a sheath since that might turn a kitchen knife into a weapon.
 
Fanglekai said:
Defend yourself against what?

A few small fixed blades:

http://eseeknives.com/izula.htm

2.63" blade length

http://www.kabar.com/knives/detail/6

2 3/8" blade length

http://www.buckknives.com/index.cfm?event=product.detail&productID=3701

2 7/8" blade length
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Those are not much different than the knife in the first post that I was asking about.

Esav implied that the Strider SLCC was a weapon because it was designed as a back up weapon.

I do not see how the knives you posted are not weapons- they look very similar to the Strider SLCC.


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I think they would all jam me up.

I just bought a Spyderco Pingo from Amazon. $47 shipped by Amazon Prime.

That will satisfy my need to be able to use a knife in an emergency if I go to NYC.

I will also be bringing OC (pepper spray).
 
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Remember a few things in ALL of NYS....Anything carried as a weapon is illegal. Never state an item is for self defense as that indicates you are carrying it as a weapon even if the potential use is legal. Pepper spray is now legal under certain conditions ( you must be 21 or over and have no criminal record). Many officers in NYC seems to feel pepper spray is not legal, but that is largely a miss conception. If you ever think you may have the need to use any level of force against another person in any part of NYS take a bit of time and read section 35 of the NYSPL. It is required reading for anyone getting a pistol permit in the state, and it informs you of when you may legally use different levels of force in defense of yourself and others under certain conditions.....


http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article35.htm
 
Considering what we've seen in the news lately, I'm not sure what's legal and what's not matters anymore. I don't know about the rest of you but I've seen at least three videos of the NYPD in public and readily using prohibited and illegal choke holds on suspects, with at least one dying as a result, and at least one full-force head stomp on a suspect that was on the ground and already in handcuffs, and all within clear violation of their own written policies.

I think it's pretty much a "we do as we want, not what we're told" wild west mindset up there in that state. And if that's the case nothing is truly legal, because you're at the mercy of the whims of whoever's on duty, and what kind of bad day they're having.

And before anybody says anything about politics, this isn't about politics. This is recognition of the fact that New York, like many other places, have a serious crime problem, and it's best to stay out of such places. It's no different than advising people to stay out of neighborhoods plagued with heavy gang activity.
 
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CrayZ said:
Those are not much different than the knife in the first post that I was asking about.

Esav implied that the Strider SLCC was a weapon because it was designed as a back up weapon.

I do not see how the knives you posted are not weapons- they look very similar to the Strider SLCC.


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I think they would all jam me up.

I just bought a Spyderco Pingo from Amazon. $47 shipped by Amazon Prime.

That will satisfy my need to be able to use a knife in an emergency if I go to NYC.

I will also be bringing OC (pepper spray).
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Read the descriptions about those knives. They are not designed for self defense or killing people. They are not designed as weapons.
 
Fanglekai said:
Read the descriptions about those knives. They are not designed for self defense or killing people. They are not designed as weapons.
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Neither is the Buck 110. Neither is any folding pocket knife the NYPD classified in the field as being gravity knives.
 
NYC knife/guns laws are as retarded as the folks who legislate them.
 
CrayZ said:
I see...

It was designed to be a weapon.

Can you point me to a NYC legal knife that I can use to defend myself.

I want something that is a fixed blade and it must be less then 4".

Maybe I should get a quality kitchen knife and make a kydex sheath for it.

Of course, the NYPD might arrest me me having a sheath since that might turn a kitchen knife into a weapon.
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Cold Steel "Pendleton Hunter". It has a 3 1/2" fixed blade and was designed as a sportsman's knife. It looks non-threatening and should be legal to carry in NYC.
 
If it matters in your choice of knife, I have lived in NYC for the better part of 12 years, and it's not really a dangerous place. I might even say you'd probably have to be looking for trouble to find it. This doesn't mean you shouldn't carry a knife while visiting but if you want to carry an almost 4inch fixed blade rather than something less threatening to the public like a SAK or slippie or opinel, because you think you'll need it then you might be disappointed. In NYC you'll be fine carryin any slip joint but you don't really want to press your luck with a big sheath hanging off your belt. It's a dense city and there are large crowds and a history of violence so someone is undoubtedly going to get spooked.
 
You can't carry a fixed blade at all in NYC. That being said, you won't need one either. Don't act like a victim, or the opposite, and you'll be fine. Hell, you can't even smoke in central park.
 
tom19176 said:
Lemmy in NYC the Admin Code forbids open carry of any knife unless you are going directly to and from certain activities or meet a certain work requirement. Read NYC Admin Code 10-133. Visible pocket clips have been determined to be "open carry" in enforcement of this code.....


http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/ADC/10/1/10-133
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Your right. I don't carry moderns so it doesn't impact me. I was carrying my laguiole (which is pressing the size limit) in a belt pouch but decided to avoid unnecessary hassle and put it in my pocket. Keyword there is unnecessary meaning while I don't think the laws make a ton of sense it's also not really necessary for me to show all the world I'm carrying a big knife. In this case I think the laws are well intentioned if a bit illogical in detail and they don't really infringe on my basic human rights. Plus while NYC is short on things to cut or need a big knife for it makes up for it plenty in other ways. I know I've been plenty annoyed driving through dry counties in the South on a Sunday evening and not being able to stop for a beer or pick up a six pack but hey the community had spoken and at least a majority of its citizens had decided to allow such laws. Oh well I'd just drive onto the next county that served.
 
im in nyc almost everyday ,,born and raised there ,,i wouldnt carry pepper spray there , :(
 
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