NYC and Knives

Eikowan, your response was the kind of trolling, ignorant, juvenile advice I am really tired of seeing here. He asked a legitimate question, a question so important we have an entire subforum devoted to it.

Moving is not always feasible, and the advantages of any area always have offsetting disadvantages with which the intelligent and adaptable among us learn to deal.

Running away from bad laws instead of standing and opposing them will eventually see us all overtaken by them.
 
Spyderco UKPK or Urban , or the Swiss Army Knife . The Soldier and Farmer are excellent EDC's .

Chris
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Eikowan, your response was the kind of trolling, ignorant, juvenile advice I am really tired of seeing here. He asked a legitimate question, a question so important we have an entire subforum devoted to it.
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Whoa cowboy, I honestly believe that's the best answer, possibly not the most realistic however and apparently not popular. Obviously, the answer/opinion is not agreeable with you, but maybe go a little easier on the insults next time?

Bottom line? You live where you choose to live right? I've yet to hearstories about an American being forced to live in any one place. If it's going to be a large urban area (specifically near either coast), chances are the locals will take away your ability to defend yourself and leave all the weapons in the hands of those that would harm you.

Now, if you want to rise-up against the machine that operates the big northern/coastal cities and get some common sense people in there running it, I'll back you up, where do I sign? Short of that, yes, leaving it to them is a far more realistic possibility for improving your life and your ability to protect yourself and your loved ones.

Sorry, just my opinion. I moved from the Chicago area to Texas, in part (much) for this very reason.
 
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Eikowan said:
Whoa cowboy, I honestly believe that's the best answer, possibly not the most realistic however and apparently not popular. Obviously, the answer/opinion is not agreeable with you, but maybe go a little easier on the insults next time?

Bottom line? You live where you choose to live right? I've yet to hearstories about an American being forced to live in any one place. If it's going to be a large urban area (specifically near either coast), chances are the locals will take away your ability to defend yourself and leave all the weapons in the hands of those that would harm you.

Now, if you want to rise-up against the machine that operates the big northern/coastal cities and get some common sense people in there running it, I'll back you up, where do I sign? Short of that, yes, leaving it to them is a far more realistic possibility for improving your life and your ability to protect yourself and your loved ones.

Sorry, just my opinion. I moved from the Chicago area to Texas, in part (much) for this very reason.
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Whoa cowboy. We like Esav around these parts, and he wields the flaming scimitar of internet justice to boot.
 
I for one am not going to pick up and leave just because of a rule that affects one very small part of my daily life. To suggest I do so is ridiculous. Knives are important, useful tools, but it's not like I can't do without a tactical ninja-killer.

Carry your knife unclipped in your pocket. Any slipjoint would be the safest option, like Case or Queen or Victorinox, but if you are looking for one-handed action Spyderco makes a few one-handed slipjoints like the UK Penknife and Urban, as well as the discontinued T-Mag and the upcoming Terzuola Slip-it.

Steer clear of automatic, butterfly, assisted open, or any knife that can be opened with inertia, either by holding the blade or by holding the handle and flicking the wrist.

The police have been getting a bit overzealous with their confiscations so keeping your knife unclipped is the best thing to do. You are allowed to carry a fixed blade (questionable?) or folder under 4" in blade length, but make sure it is fully concealed. Even the clip must not show.
 
I for one am not going to pick up and leave just because of a rule that affects one very small part of my daily life. To suggest I do so is ridiculous. Knives are important, useful tools, but it's not like I can't do without a tactical ninja-killer.
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I suppose if you look at a blade as nothing more than a finger nail cleaner ... sure, it's all good. If self-defense (a blade being the third option), then it's not such a small thing and not so "ridiculous".
 
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Eikowan, this is not the Practical Tactical forum, which is where you really need to go to learn what self-defense actually is. I'll give you a hint:

The first law of self-defense is, don't go there.
The second law is, if you find yourself there, leave.
The third law is, if they won't let you leave, fight your way out.

Nowhere in New York City is any of this illegal. That you need a knife for it only says you waited too long, let them get too close, and probably wouldn't be carrying your carefully selected, sharply honed, never used for utility combat cleaver that day anyway, darn it.

On the other hand, this thread is about what knife a gentleman or lady might carry in New York City without upsetting the citizenry around them, the police, or a jury of their peers. Different strokes for different folks. Grow up, travel around, see the world, and realize that one size does not fit all. Sometimes ya wear a Stetson, sometimes you gotta settle for a ballcap, all to keep the sun off your head and keep cool.
 
On the other hand, this thread is about what knife a gentleman or lady might carry in New York City without upsetting the citizenry around them, the police, or a jury of their peers. Different strokes for different folks. Grow up, travel around, see the world, and realize that one size does not fit all. Sometimes ya wear a Stetson, sometimes you gotta settle for a ballcap, all to keep the sun off your head and keep cool.
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Well said EB :)
 
Parker89 said:
What do the members here recommend I carry in NYC with it's strict laws?
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A Swiss Army Knife.

You can also carry an Opinel, if you want a locking blade.

You'd never be using your knife for anything other than cutting, because anyone who'd you want to defend yourself against with a knife, is surely going to be carrying an (illegal) gun.
 
gnius said:
A Swiss Army Knife.

You can also carry an Opinel, if you want a locking blade.

You'd never be using your knife for anything other than cutting, because anyone who'd you want to defend yourself against with a knife, is surely going to be carrying an (illegal) gun.
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That is a good point. Although I'm aware of cases where friends of mine have been mugged by attackers without weapons, it's not something I would want to risk.

Here is my self defense method: don't go to dangerous places (especially not at night/alone) and never carry more cash than I can afford to lose. If someone wants my wallet they can have it. Within the hour I can have all the cards cancelled anyway. I don't carry a watch and I get my cell phones for $20 used on ebay.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Grow up, travel around, see the world, and realize that one size does not fit all.
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Are you typically this presumptive or maybe just caught ya on a bad day? Seems I've really been taken to task by the mod force over an opinion. Is there somewhere to read about the accepted opinion?

Travels over the last three decades of my adult life have taken me to see much of the world actually, thanks for the suggestion though. My self defense training is military and put to use in many up-close and personal situations, partly so you have the right to say whatever you want, regardless of how (I'll put it nicely) "uninformed" you are with respect to my experience.

While your "turn the other cheek" mentality is admirable, it will generally get you a sore second cheek in this world, at least that's been my experience. I do hope it works out for ya though.

Obviously now that this has been moved to the law forum from general, this discussion, in this thread is no longer valid; I'll bow out albeit no so gracefully. Have a nice day.
 
If your purpose is truly self defense, a pepper spray is cheaper and far more effective than a knife. It's also far less likely to get you into trouble with cops and prosecutors and juries.

I agree with Davide. I carry a whopping $40 in cash, the rest I pay on cards. If somebody points a knife at me and all he wants is the wallet, I'll surrender it, even if I have a 6" ti-lite with me. If I pull my knife and he decides to fight, I can bet you that both of us is gonna get cut, and one of us might end up in the morgue while the other in jail. Even if I survive, that $40 is NOT worth getting myself cut, causing me to visit a hospital, pay for expensive cosmetic surgery (if I got cut in the face), lose work, and pay expensive legal fees to defend myself against the prosecutor.

The only reason I would pull a knive is when I'm already attacked. Ask yourself this: how many times have you been attacked on the street without the slightest provocation or after you have surrendered your money? I've been mugged a couple of times and all they wanted was money. Once they got the money they left. Did it piss me off? You bet. But at least I'm not in the hospital with extensive cuts while wondering whether I'm gonna get prosecuted, all for defending $40.

One other thing I want to point out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtV_6llTaPE
If you don't know this guy, you should. The average knife-wielding mugger's chance against this dude is close to 0. As bad as he is, he advocates giving the mugger your money, if you think that's all the bad guy wants.
 
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Speaking of presumptive, where in all your worldly travels did you find I have a "turn the other cheek" mentality?

I said nothing about your experience, only about the lack of understanding it's provided you. If you're interested in self-defense, that has nothing to do with either fighting or turning the other cheek -- a particularly inappropriate reference in my case. If you look for a fight, you'll find one.
 
For what it's worth, I find Eikowan's response of "move" unhelpful. If all my family lives in NY and I happen to love the state for many reasons, I'm not gonna move just because I can't carry lockbacks. If I don't agree with abortion, should I move out of the USA because it's legal here?
 
I really could spend WAY too much time in this thread... :) Since the mod is keeping it going, I'll reply again, I really did want to bail and end the hijack. Sorry to the OP.

The "turn the other cheek mentality I spoke of is a generalization of the thread, I should have made that more clear, my bad.

"Give them the money, hope for the best"
"don't go where it might be bad", you mean like Binghamton? School? Church?

...is the mindset is what I speak of.

What if they want your car? Your wife/daughter? Then what? Oh, but that won't/doesn't happen, right?

Abortion? Yup pretty deep subject, but doesn't apply. The RIGHT to defend myself and my family and in some extreme cases innocents being slaughtered, IS in fact a good enough reason for me to live where I need to. But that's just me.

As far as being unhelpful? It's just one opinion in the discussion. Pretty sure discussions and/or debate require more than one.

I'll try again to drop it.

....We now return you to your regularly scheduled program...
 
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