O/T peace pipe tomahawk ????????

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I have been working to get my knife accumulation (aka the metal blob) into some kind of order. Every so often I come across an odd item I haven't seen in a while, like this tomahawk. I never gave this one much though, but looking at it with a bit more experience I can see a far more interesting item then I originally suspected. It probably dates to the 19th century and originally had an attached pipe bowl and it is still hard tempered and sharp. It definitely fall into the "they don't make them like this anymore" catagory.

n2s

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Just how many blades do you have? :confused:

I don't think you've ever posted the same pic twice and you've posted a lot of pics.

me is jealous. :o
 
A peace pipe tomahawk became an axe.... It must have undergone history of anti-smoking and disarmament! Are both of two worldwide trend falling on all of us?

OT from tomahawk, I hope HI can make something like this->
, only twice bigger, Ang Khola smoking pipe that also serves as blunt weapon like Japanese gamblers in Edo city 300 years ago. Swords were prohibited for them, but they wanted something in their waist belt.
 
Well actually to clear up a misconception there's no such thing as a "peace pipe tomahawk." Actually there isn't / wasn't any such thing as a 'peace pipe" either. That term came into being when tribes like the Crow, Mandan, Sioux and a few others sealed their end of any treaties with smoking the Sacred Pipe as all solemn ceremonies were sealed.
The Nu-Agers love to talk about their Sacred Chanupa's and how they are real Pipe Carriers!!!!:barf: :rolleyes:
Most people don't stop to take into consideration that the over 500 nations weren't all the same and although many had similar customs there were other nations that were completely different and so the misconceptions continue.

Not trying to tick anyone off or anything, just trying to clear up another misconception.:)

Nice looking old 'Hawk though and one I wouldn't mind to have.:D
 
Just how many blades do you have?
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Bruce,

I figured out a while back that it is not how many you have but how fast you swap them that counts. :)

I have a nice collection of khukuries and camp knives, but I also have swap box which I cycle pretty often. It gives me the ability to handle and photograph many more knives then I otherwise could. Just within the last week I have sent out 6 knives and collected about as many in trade. That is 12 interesting knives I got to see, merely for the price of postage.

Ocassionally, I get something I really like, throw it in the collection, and then force myself to take something out of the collection for the swap box. It is the best way I have come up with to force myself to ultimately transform my accumulation into a worthwhile collection. Perhaps I get there in ten to twenty years but the trip is alot of fun.

n2s

BTW, the pipe tomahawk was supposedly developed by American/European traders, as early as the 17th century, to combine their two most popular Native American trade goods (smoking pipes and tomahawks). Lower inventory and transportation cost would have been quite an incentive.

If anyone is interested I would recommend Carl P. Russell's Firearms, Traps, & Tools of the Mountain Men (University of New Mexico Press, 1967, reprinted 1992) - ISBN 0-8263-0465-6.
 
Thanx Yvsa for enlightenment. There are always things to learn! Do you have pic what their peace pipe w/o tomahawk look like? I'm more interested in pipes than tomahawk. But there are so few info about various pipes in these days.
 
Top: Blackfoot ceremonial pipe with eagle head, feathers, and black hide wrapping on stem; bronze axe and pipe bowl; 40 inches long (circa 1840)

Bottom: Blackfoot ceremonial pipe, spiral hide wrap on stem, black horse hair in center insert with six human teeth; feathers are golden eagle; 30 inches long

Examples from Thomas E. Mails, The Mystic Warriors of the Plains (Marlowe, NY 1995) ISBN 1-56924-843-5

n2s
 
Originally posted by WrongFriend
Thanx Yvsa for enlightenment. There are always things to learn! Do you have pic what their peace pipe w/o tomahawk look like? I'm more interested in pipes than tomahawk. But there are so few info about various pipes in these days.
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Satoshi-san these are some pix I picked up from a search on www.Google.com

This Nu-Age pipe goes for $1,700.00!!!!
It's copper with an acid etch, not traditional but appears so.

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I first thought this place more enlightened than others as these are properly displayed for the Lakota Sacred Pipe as they are not assembled.
There's much lore about these Pipes and they way to handle them properly.
They should Never be assembled except for when they're going to be used.

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For some odd reason this pipe appears to be assembled which is disappointing as the Pipes above were not and is on the same
website.:(
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The red colored pipes are made from the Pipestone found in Minnesota and more commonly called Catlinite after George Catlin who made this painting.
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It's really heart breaking for me to see so many non-ndns aquire such a beautiful and Sacred instrument and use it for every day use but it's even more heart breaking to see them aquire a pipe and then try to pray with it.
What's even worse is too see ndn people selling our heritage to non-ndns.:(
The Sacred Pipe is like a loaded weapon and should be used only by those trained in it's use.

You can find a ton of info on these pipes by searching on Google for Chanupa, Catlinite, Peace Pipe, and pipestone although much of it is false the pipestone is real.
 
Possibly the one pipe had not been used/blessed

Try looking up

http://www.pipekeepers.org/index.html

for some information. It turns out the organisiation came about when the head of the thing was working in Fremont, a Lakota spiritual leader died, and at the Pow-Wow to send his spirit off, nobody had a pipe to do it with. Sometime later, over a decade after that, the pipekeepers were formed.

Check out Adam Fortunate Eagle Nordwall there.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1451/3147000.html

and also check Google's search for Adam Fortunate Eagle Gallery.

I've got to get back over to his place again and pick up a copy of his book on the occupation of Alcatraz. He and his wife were out this last Tuesday when I called from Fallon.

He also is noted for claiming Italy for the Native Americans by stepping off an airplane and driving a spear into the ground - it was good enough for Columbus to claim Hispaniola, why not turn the tables. Came to the Pope's attention and he received him. Proferred his ring, to kiss, and Adam offered him his. Got a sense of humor if you hadn't guessed.

I found out about him from a guy who received an eagle feather from him while in prison. That's one other cause the pipekeepers serve - trying to get pipes into prisons for spiritual practices.

On Google search you will see the article on his accepting a Doctor of Humanities and giving the college an unblessed pipe. As it was unblessed it was allowed to be shown for a period of time before being taken off display.

Haven't talked to Yvsa bout him so I've no idea what Yvsa thinks of him. I suspect he'd be crazy enough to enjoy this forum though.

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Thanks Yvsa, for another ton of great info! I thought peace pipe was important, but there was and is much more... but I have to give up having one because of coolness.

Also thanks Rusty for the site. It was also cultivating. Assemblying peace pipe only when it's used. The idea sounds adequate somehow, but I'd never come to know it if I hadn't seen the site.
And I'm glad to know a hatchet pipe was not fake. Some people found good to buy and use it.
 
Yvsa, I have a Thor's Hammer amulet (mjollnir) made by a native friend of mine of red pipestone. As I believe a gift demands a gift, I gifted him with a sunwheel I etched from brass, or some such symbol that held signifigance for both our peoples.

The Pipestone mjollnir is one of my revered treasures, and I don't wear it for fear of loss or damage. It is beautiful it its simplicity, and a wonderful symbol of a crossing of paths and cultures. A 1000 yrs from now, some dude's gonna dig it up and be really confused as to who/why such an object would be made...

..keep the future generations guessing, I always say.

Keith
 
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