O&W MP-2801, mechanical, miniscule review

Midget

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It's been just about a month. Maybe a little less. I've worn an O&W MP2, mechanical windup pretty much the whole time. It's here.
http://www.westcoastime.com/oweta20milst.html


LUME*
First off, I really didn't like this watch when i got it. The primary buffs about this watch were that it had new tritium paint on it and it was a windup movement. If you did some searching in these forums, there were some earlier posts of me bitching about how dim the tritium was.

Change of heart. The tritium IS sort of dull, BUT. I was previously spoiled by the superluminova found on seiko watches. That stuff is friggin bright!!!! There was a post earlier where i took some pics comparing the luminescence of the O&W, seiko, and hamilton. Someone on this forums was kind enough to host my pics, but I'm a big jerk and forgot what hes screenname was. :( Anyhow. The tritium is certainly bright enough. It just takes your eyes 5-10 minutes in the dark to "adjust." but once you've been in the dark (which is when you'll be needing the lume anyhow), you'll be able to see the dial pretty much clearly. worked great when i was in the woods last weekend, works great when walking on a dark street, the light even keeps me awake some nights. yes, i just lay in bed at night and gaze into this beautiful, green eye glowing back at me... ahh, my precious.... ok, anyhow. places it does NOT work- movie theaters, night driving, dusk/dawn, since you're looking into light, so your eyes really aren't adjusted.

one thing i notice.. the hands are CONSIDERABLY less bright than the numbers. and also, given ambient light, the hands tend to "charge" while the numbers don't. i'll be really angry if the numbers/dial is tritium paint, but the hands are just the old luminova...

MOVEMENT*

onto other stuff. the windup has become sort of a pain in the ass. It was cool when i was thinking about it, it was cool when i first bought it. i wind this thing every morning, and well.. i wish i could just slap it on my wrist and go. i know, it only takes like 6 seconds to wind, but... i'm so lazy..

but the watch is accurate. real accurate. like +4 seconds/day, pretty much.

AESTHETICS*

beautiful dial. I like looking at this face. i enjoy looking at this face. i'm obsessed. plain, simple, unique.

i really wish it had a day/date. :(

the red seconds hand is COOL.

CASE*

lug width is 18 mm, so that means i can't have a Rhino strap (20mm), which sucks because i love rhinos. but that's preferance.

i wear this fitted with the standard, black, NATO strap. one warning, i know a lot of you CUT that extraneous piece off of your NATOs. do NOT cut it if you mount it on the O&W MP body. The crown is quite abrasive (for the windup), and you will need that little extra padding that the extra strap piece will provide. If you cut it, the watch will ride pretty much flush with your wrist, and the crown will RUB against your skin. and it starts to hurt after a bit.

CRYSTAL*

domed mineral crystal. i'm almost certain you can get this fitted w/ a sapphire one from bill yao (mkiiwatches.com). but i'm sticking with the domed mineral. as some of you may know, i do NOT baby my equipment (see pics of my old, now dead, seiko 5). after about a month of wear, this watch has suffered it's FIRST scars. there are two slight scratches that run over the 9oclock area. I don't know how they got there. but other than that, the crystal has taken everything i've given it, which has not been much, recently.

MISC.*

it's sort of loud. Last thursday, being the nerd i am, i was all alone at the library, 6:30am. silence. as i was writing, i could hear the escapement in the movement beating. it was like a metronome. music to my ears.

i'm obsessed.

42 hour autonomy. no matter, because i habitiually wind it when i wake up.

WATER RESISTANCE*

Howard marx (westcoastime.com) said this watch was not water resistant, and that it could only take slight moisture, like rainfall. several other people concured, at the O&W forums. same thing from bill yao. neil at chronomaster.co.uk said it was water resistant to 3 ATM.

i say, screw it. i've worn this in the shower every day. today, i washed my car. i'll let you all know if it breaks.




Overall, this watch is for SURE worth the 150.00 i paid. i see a lot of threads in and out of this forum with people asking "looking for a new watch" or "which watch?" and i would formally like to cast my vote for the O&W MP2.

let me know if you have any questions. i'll take some pictures if i ever get off my ass.


hope it helps.
 
note.

i'd be happier if the case were beadblast. and the movement was day/date.
 
and if the indices were tritium tubes instead of tritium paint.
 
Nice review Midget.

I had a look at that one also about 1/2 a year ago.

Also looked at the O&W automatic version:

http://www.westcoastime.com/mpas20milwat.html

and finally ended up with this one: The O&W Automatic Diver Precision

http://www.westcoastime.com/precdivwatwc.html

(I'm carrying it with a black NATO strap, like in this review)

http://www.mochanni.com/~hseung/album/mwr/wct-01.html

I must say it hasn't left my wrist since I bought it ( 4 months ago). It looses about 2 seconds a day which I heard is very good.

The tritium as you said works great when you're eyes are adapted to darkness (at night during sleep, forest, camping etc) but doesn't work very well in a cinema or car.

Ted
 
Good Evening All-

Great review of the O & W....Just one comment to add:

Wearing a watch in the shower, any watch,is asking for trouble. The transition from cool surroundings to steam and hot water...coupled with the drying action of the surfactants present in soaps...spells BAD NEWS for a mechanical watch.

Place the timepiece on your nightstand to keep it out of the steam-filled bathroom. Your watch will perform better and won't fail you at an inopportune time. If you are purposely trying to break the watch as part of a heavy-abuse durability test, then by all means carry on and let us know how long it lasts.

Regards,

~ Blue Jays ~
 
no.

nuts to that.

this watch is going in the shower every day.

if it's going to die because of failed water resistance, then it was a crappy watch and i shall say 'good riddance.'

i'm not rough on it or hardcore testing it's durability. i'm just using it. having a watch that can't take some splashes is like having a car that can't take some rain. go-karts don't count.
 
Good Evening All-

Midget said:
"...This watch is going in the shower every day. If it's going to die because of failed water resistance, then it was a crappy watch and I shall say 'good riddance.'

Having a watch that can't take some splashes is like having a car that can't take some rain..."
Midget, I see what you're saying about "day-to-day living" with the watch, but the behavior you're describing will trash that timepiece in short order. Swimming in the ocean? Fine. Swimming in chlorinated pools? Fine. Boating, fishing, rainstorms, and other typical water contact? All perfectly fine. Just rinse it off with clean, tepid water and you're good to go again.

The point is the drying action of detergents/surfactants on rubber seals. This harmful action is further magnified by wide temperature swings and invasive steam. There is not a watch manufacturer in the world who would suggest wearing their watches in the shower as completely harmless.

You'll have to take the 'dang watch off to towel dry underneath anyway, so you might as well take it off before you crank-up the hot water! :)

~ Blue Jays ~
 
Midget said:
no.

nuts to that.

this watch is going in the shower every day.

if it's going to die because of failed water resistance, then it was a crappy watch and i shall say 'good riddance.'

Suit yourself...... some high end watch companies that make dive watches and tout their ability to survive Neptune's depths will provide a caution against wearing watches in the shower and sauna. It doesn't make them a crappy watch. You can't change the laws of physics that dictate the expansion rates of metals when exposed to heat/cold cycles. Nor can you defeat the antagonistic effects of soap and shampoo against rubber seals and gaskets.

But it is your watch, so you are of course free to do with it what you will.
 
before the crash, didn't we have a thread going where we argued about whether WR100 really meant water resistant to 100 meters, and whether soap really does kill seals?

we should bring that back.



points taken, blue jays. i'll consider taking it off before a shower. or maybe i'll leave it on, and just take luke-warm rinses. ;)
 
Midget said:
before the crash, didn't we have a thread going where we argued about whether WR100 really meant water resistant to 100 meters, and whether soap really does kill seals?

we should bring that back.

I can tell you right now that 100 meters in a test doesn't mean 100 meters in actual usage. I have a Water Resistance tester and am also a diver. I have tested watches in my chamber fine, and had them fail in less depth under actual conditions.


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One of the reasons I bought my O&W WCT Diver instead of the O&W MP2 that Midget bought is that it's 200m/660ft water resistance.

I know that that doesn't mean it will hold up at a depth of 200m. (I wasn't planning on going diving anyway).
I also read that temperature differences are a bigger problem but I thought if it's rated at 200m, it will surely survive swimming, showering, a 37 degr. celcius baby-bath, or lying in a puddle of cold water (snow?) in my tent for example...?

Should I worry about these things with my WCT Diver?

Ted
 
Hey all. How's about an update on the MP2?

In the past few months my MP2 has seen 3 spring bars and 2 NATO bands. The case and crystal are far from pristine. If anyone wants to host them, i'd take some pictures.



As promised, I wore this thing in the shower most days. Also washing dishes, swimming (i only went swimming like three times since). So, primarily just high temp. splashes, steam, etc., but no heavy submersion.

And to BobHWD and Blue Jays, I tip my hat.

A few weeks ago, in the sunlight, i noticed some condensation accumulating under the crystal. Looks like water is getting in.

I used my el-cheapo caseback tool to open the case, pulled out the movement, and gave the case a good cleaning/drying. Stuck everything back in, and this baby is going back into the showers for the next 8 months. ;)



Otherwise, the MP2 is still going strong. Keeping time like a champ.
 
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