Oddball 300s ?

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I’m hoping that maybe someone here might be able to help me. I picked up a couple of older Bucks today. One of them is a 303, with a date code of 1992, in Smooth Red Delrin. Any information that I’m finding indicates that it should be Red Sawcut Delrin that year. Possibly a blade replacement, or am I missing something? I also picked up a 307 Wrangler, with smooth black Delrin scales. I can’t seem to find anything mentioning this model in smooth black, only yellow. Any thoughts, or info, would be greatly appreciated. 601F8DF2-A457-4807-8489-F01AC8673465.jpegBF9DF672-35B1-41C6-80B4-09960185DD21.jpeg
 
Some really interesting knives you have there.That 307 is an oddball alright.My paperwork says it was supplied in three variations.I thought that meant saw cut black with the same sheild as yours,black saw cut with the 'Buck' sheild, and the yellow.That makes yours a 4th variation.
The 303 is another story.
 
It was just brought to my attention, in “The Sunday Picture Show”, that this one may also be a bit of an oddity in Smooth Black Delrin. I picked it up from the same guy. It’s a 313. A30652C3-BBF3-4F78-B6C9-12FDEB33089D.jpeg
 
Some really interesting knives you have there.That 307 is an oddball alright.My paperwork says it was supplied in three variations.I thought that meant saw cut black with the same sheild as yours,black saw cut with the 'Buck' sheild, and the yellow.That makes yours a 4th variation.
The 303 is another story.
This was my belief, as well, on the 307s.
 
:rolleyes:Sorry, double post!
 

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I also picked up a 307 Wrangler, with smooth black Delrin scales.

this one may also be a bit of an oddity in Smooth Black Delrin. I picked it up from the same guy. It’s a 313.

I haven't heard of either a 307 or 313 with smooth black Delrin. A couple of things come to mind. First, I have a 303 that I carried daily for 30 years. Originally it was sawcut but now it looks smooth. Second, since you bought them from the same person, it's possible that a previous owner buffed out the sawcuts. Who knows, but I don't think there was ever a run of smooth 307s or 313s.

Bert
 
I agree with Bert above that the 307 and 313 have most likely been been buffed/polished rather than worn from use since the blades show little wear. Also note that the logo medallion inserts on both knives appear like they may have been polished during a buffing process.

As to the smooth red 303, I would seriously doubt it is a blade replacement since the factory rarely replaces blades on slip joints. Further, I have smooth red handles on the 301,303, 305, and 309 that range in dates all the way from 1989 to 1992.
 
I haven't heard of either a 307 or 313 with smooth black Delrin. A couple of things come to mind. First, I have a 303 that I carried daily for 30 years. Originally it was sawcut but now it looks smooth. Second, since you bought them from the same person, it's possible that a previous owner buffed out the sawcuts. Who knows, but I don't think there was ever a run of smooth 307s or 313s.

Bert
I agree with Bert above that the 307 and 313 have most likely been been buffed/polished rather than worn from use since the blades show little wear. Also note that the logo medallion inserts on both knives appear like they may have been polished during a buffing process.

As to the smooth red 303, I would seriously doubt it is a blade replacement since the factory rarely replaces blades on slip joints. Further, I have smooth red handles on the 301,303, 305, and 309 that range in dates all the way from 1989 to 1992.
Gentlemen, Thank you for your responses! That was one of the things that came to mind, but with all due respect, seeing them in hand alongside sawcut models of each of them, they’re doesn’t seem to be any material removed from the scales. The shields are more pronounced than they appear in my lousy cell phone pics also. I can’t say for sure, one way or another, but they just don’t appear, to me, to have been altered. Anyone else happen to have any that they know were buffed to smooth,that they could post pictures of? Any other possibilities come to mind? Thanks again for your responses! Lance
 
I'm with the buffed / worn crowd. If you look at any of the red or yellow scaled 300s with smooth scales you'll note that the sides of the scales are flat, and the edges have only a modest roundover, except where the scales are blended into the bolsters.
 
Jumping in with Both Feet.
My opinion is that the red scale is a factory issued model with pocket wear and scratches. The 313 has had the scale altered in some way (so called buffed) which is shown by the rounding of the nail nic slot, even to a oblong appearance on one end. The black 307 was never issued with a smooth scale*, it is a substantial knife and could have been smoothed without rounding the shield by a careful use of a Dremel or even sandpaper. After Camillus closed parts were auctioned and 307s were assembled from various sources. Most that I saw were sawcut and I still credit them as true Cami 307s. Most sawcut shield 307's were flat sided on the scale with sharper edges than the one shown.

All that said there are two discussions here; one on what is the definition of a 'oddball' model. Do you considered only factory work to produce a odd structure as the only valid knife as a collector model or second are we considering personal touches that someone adds to a knife to cause it fall into this category also.

I have become a 'lumper' and less of a 'splitter'. To claim a knife in a collection as a factory mistake or (oddball) the oddball must have factors that are caused by the factory or the assembly of the knife at the factory with parts, printing, engraving or materials that give it odd character. Any knife that is different in shape, grinds or materials can be altered by a owner. I have on several occasions replaced scale materials on 303's. The occurrence of odd nics or liners from Camillus crafted 300s I have come to favor as a individuals choice, to believe them to be materials provided* at the factory to a culter as variations of that model era. I have published lists that gave a extra model variation because of a reverse nail nic vs. no nail nic. I have kept them on my list as different but will not argue with anyone who says that they are just different 'parts-of-the-day' knives and not true models.

In the end all these knives shown are odd-balls in the sense they are not like most factory issues. I have several of these different knives myself that were altered in someway, likely by an individual and I will call them odd-balls but they are not factory made slip-ups. If your searching for factory mistakes to collect be careful.

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Here's a neat little odd-ball. It looks factory but isn't, might be a old custom shop but I doubt it. Someone did a excellent job in faking a jigged bone scale. Notice the main blade pin doesn't look right.
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This is not factory...
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This one is odd because someone removed the second blade. But, it fits in a strong sock well.
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Now this is a factory mistake, Camillus factory that is.
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300, Thank you so much for offering up your very detailed answer, and vast knowledge. I wasn’t looking to collect any specific “oddball” variants, or any other Buck knives on that particular day. I stumbled upon these, at an irresistible price, and became intrigued while researching them. With the help provided by you, as well as the others above, I’m now content with the fact that they were carefully altered. Again thanks to everyone who responded. -Lance
 
Cool looking knives Fort, I would have bought them also. If they were mine I would contact Jeff or Joe at Buck and see if they would do a spa treatment on them and carry the heck out of them.
 
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