Oh, fer cryin' out loud...if it ain't one thing, it's two dozen others...

Joined
Aug 24, 1999
Messages
933
Okay...well, I've made some progress on the workbench that I've been doing, and--as expected--it's turning into a Frankenbench. I pretty much expected that, though :p. However, as the wife and I started cleaning up the garage (she's doing it to gather stuff for a garage sale, I'm working more to clear space and rearrange my shop area), I found huge expanses of wall that were rotted and had been chewed through. This is due to the high population of squirrels and feral cats in the neighbourhood, who apparently ALL winter up in my garage (D'OH!! :mad:). It should be noted that my garage is, to start with, all but falling down, anyway. The roof is sway-backed, the whole thing appears to be sinking into the ground (it slopes, impossibly, AGAIN the grade of the ground it sits on--very Dali-esque), but it appears to have been built out of oak...and some other stuff, lol. It's what I've got, though, and there's no WAY I can just tear it down and start over. So, to continue:

"No problem," thinks I, "I can cut those sections out and patch 'em up. No point in getting too involved in fixing up this old shack of a garage, it's all but falling down, anyway!"

*Sigh* the Spidey-sense shoulda gone off, then. Well, so anyway, I continued clearing out along the wall, so that I had a clean space to work on as I patched up the wall. What I found was, the genius that built the garage in the first place apparently used the concrete floor as rough guide for framing the rest of the building, but not as a foundation. All of the wall studs (which look to be oak, at least) are--er, WERE sunk directly into the ground. I say were because it looks like at least three of them have rotted away completely and no longer even TOUCH the ground.\

"Well," thinks I, "That escalated quickly."

So, the question is this: Is there ANYTHING I can do, at this late stage of the game, to fix this? I mean, sure, I can cut out the rotten timber and replace it, but I'm still going to have a building, built on dirt, with NEW lumber that will rot out, and nothing stopping its Pisa-esque submergence into the dirt. I thought about framing a more sturdy wall INSIDE the existing structure to shore it up, and then tearing off the outside wall and sheathing it once the framing was done, but I get a feeling that I might just be throwing good money after bad, since the garage is in such rough shape, anyway. Any carpenters, handymen, or hobby engineers with a bright idea? If not, does anyone frequent a solid Home Improvement forum that they could aim me at? :o

As always, thanks for any suggestions you can provide.
 
Personally, I wouldn't put ten dollars into a structure like that. But I can understand that you may not currently have a choice about continuing to use it. Lay down a treated 4x4 where the bottom of the studs are rotted off. Scab new 2x4 pieces to the sides of the portion of the studs still good, reaching to the 4x4 and using it as a sill plate/foundation. Then nail a sheet of plywood crossways of the studs as a patch and to tie them all together. That may hold it while you draw up plans for the new, soon-to-be-built garage on a concrete footing.
 
Dig holes for piers and set sonotubes in, fill with concrete to a foot or so level above grade then set treated sills on top of the pier footings where you have anchor bolts set in. You would need to build a support frame inside under the trusses to jack it up and level the whole works. Are you in town or out in the country? Local codes may or may not be an issue but generally what you do with a garage or shed is much less regulated as long as it is unattached to your house. Everything below the top of the pier to grades should be treated wood, back fill with gravel for drainage. If you are in Kansas then you probably go down two feet with concrete to avoid frost heave, bell out the bottom of the hole to give it more of a foot. If that sounds like a lot to do to keep a building maybe clear it all of and start over. How much land do you have to work with, maybe build a new shed next to the old one then tear the old one down after you move everything over. If you provide the pizza and beverages you could probably get me to help. I am a sweet tea drinker. Yeah, I have helped a few buddies salvage old broken down sheds and garages, if I was closer I would be glad to come help out. Maybe you have some folks there in your church or group of work buddies who would be able to help you. When there are projects like that around here we jump in and do it because what goes around comes around and you never know who is going to need some good neighboring next.
 
The plan I've settled on, at least for the moment, is this: Much as you suggested, Codger_64, I'm looking to lay down a sill plate out of either pressure-treated wood or some composite material, then lay in replacement studding to reach the remaining wood from the original studs. After scabbing on reinforcement 2x4 to overlay the joints, I'm hoping to either put plywood or replacement siding over, to close up the hole.

Aaaaaand, of course, it had to pour down rain last night. Did I mention that eighty percent of the stuff from the garage was sitting on the driveway? Oh, well, at least it's likely that no one stole anything. Maybe. *SIGH*
 
Back
Top