Oh, YouTubers...

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thegeneftw

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Oh, YouTubers... I know the guy is just trying to make a buck and create some content, but wish he would have done his research before doing a video like this. I seem to remember Blade HQ making the same mistake a few months back. Anyway, hope maybe there are a few from my generation that see this and take a genuine interest in traditional fixed and folding knives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iokg8L0bQfk
 
Way overpriced! Another touting 1095 as some sort of super-steel. Looks like at knife enough knife but I can buy a Case CV Sodbuster for about 20% the cost of that one. He also calls the blade a clip point! My grandpa carried an old Schrade.
 
Your post is critical but doesn't point out any errors. I didn't have time to watch 15 minutes of video so I may have missed something when I forwarded through it but I saw no reason to criticize.

The BladeHQ video had some errors but they also bought a bunch of knife books on recommendation. Seem like good guys also.
 
He keeps calling it a grandpa knife which didn't sound right to me.
If traditional folders are " grandpa knives " ( he must think that mostly old people carry them ) then I'd have to call modern folders " you got a lot to learn knives "

The one good thing I saw was him actually knowing the proper term for the nail nick.
 
My only criticism is he's generalizing people who carry traditional style folders and he didn't know that 1095 steel develops a patina. Really have nothing against him or any other person/people trying to promote traditional style blades, and like I said, hope his audience watches that and takes a genuine interest.
 
I thought it was a good video. His generalization holds true in my experience. From what I've seen, the folks that carry traditional knives are older than people that carry more modern knives. There are exceptions of course, but as a rule I'd say it holds up. Furthermore, criticizing somebody that chose tactical as a name for their thoughts on traditional knives in general seems pretty petty. You're specifically seeking out somebody that focuses on modern gear who's trying to give a traditional knife a chance. Maybe cut him some slack given the context? I've seen plenty of generalizations in this subforum about modern knives and the people that use them. This just feels like a pot and kettle situation. A little understanding goes a long way.

He is right in saying that the knife would be much improved with D2 steel. I'm a big fan of GEC's 21 pattern, but it doesn't work for me with their soft 1095 steel. It would work much better for my uses if they used a steel that was able to keep up with the workhorse style of the frame. Of course this is a GEC induced limitation, so I don't see it changing any time soon.

Other than that he was very complimentary of the Mud Bug. Heck, he was much more complimentary than I'd be when it comes to things like cost. I'd say that for a guy that focuses on tactical gear this is just about as good a video as you could hope for.
 
I never said it was a bad video, all I said was I wish he did his homework on traditional knives and didn't generalize the folks who carry them. And talk about pot calling the kettle black, you're criticizing me for being critical of of the video. This wasn't a personal attack on him or his videos, or anyone who enjoys his channel. I've watched many of his other vids.
 
thegeneftw said:
And talk about pot calling the kettle black, you're criticizing me for being critical of of the video.
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Now you're criticizing me for criticizing you for criticizing him. This is a bridge too far, sir! :eek: :D

In all honesty, I was just typing out my reaction after watching the video. I'm OK with you being critical of him. Heck, I'm OK with you being critical of me. Sorry if I was being too critical of your criticism. I enjoyed the video. Thanks for posting it. I probably wouldn't have stumbled across it, as I don't usually watch Gideon's videos. His philosophy on knives doesn't match mine well enough for me to find his videos useful, as a general rule. However, I did enjoy this one.
 
Hahaha no worries on my end. You're ultimately right, no point in me trying to criticize someone who openly leans toward modern. Posted this mostly just to start a conversation. I skip around with my YouTube vids. The mudbug is what caught my eye with this one.

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Now you're criticizing me for criticizing you for criticizing him. This is a bridge too far, sir! :eek: :D

In all honesty, I was just typing out my reaction after watching the video. I'm OK with you being critical of him. Heck, I'm OK with you being critical of me. Sorry if I was being too critical of your criticism. I enjoyed the video. Thanks for posting it. I probably wouldn't have stumbled across it, as I don't usually watch Gideon's videos. His philosophy on knives doesn't match mine well enough for me to find his videos useful, as a general rule. However, I did enjoy this one.
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thegeneftw said:
My only criticism is he's generalizing people who carry traditional style folders and he didn't know that 1095 steel develops a patina. Really have nothing against him or any other person/people trying to promote traditional style blades, and like I said, hope his audience watches that and takes a genuine interest.
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I also hope more folks become interested in traditional knives. :thumbup: I think that's great. The title of the post sounds a bit us vs them. But we're all just knife enthusiasts.

The term "traditional" might be forum lingo. Aside from online forums, I have never really seen a category of knives described as "traditional". And I suspect others haven't either. I bet most folks would call that knife a "sodbuster" which isn't really correct either. I know that I do it. But that's a bit like calling tissue by the name "Kleenex". The reviewer seemed to know what he did and didn't know. He did a nice job of reviewing the knife as he would use it.
 
Point of clarification, his video isn't monetized, and it comes up as restricted mode. I bet if you ask him, he isn't "making a buck".
 
I found it reasonable, the man had obvious enthusiasm for the knife and was mocking nobody.

He used the term 'grandpa' in inverted commas as it were and referred with approval to a growing interest in Old School knives across the knife world. This I think is true and can be seen here on this Forum, many new people join and contribute so it is not some moribund old codgers' preserve. :eek::D Certainly he gets the blade shape wrong but he does emphasise the strength and versatility of the knife plus the feel good factor he himself gets from carrying and using it, this is in itself very positive.:thumbup:

What is illuminating are the comments on the video, this of course is usually the case with vids Some people demur at the price and I'd say 125 USD is a bit steep, plus that sheath is not appealing (who wants a sheath for a pocket knife? Not me at least!) but as he says, it's a big sturdy knife. Some commentators eulogise the Buck 110 as being better made and better steel, can't agree. Iconic it may be but it's a huge brass infested lump with ordinary stainless, and yes it's an anti pocket pro sheath style too. The most significant comments were about the huge potential resale value of the knife and its handmade aspects, clearly flipper radar is well tuned to developments in the Traditional scene and GEC's SFOs have unleashed some avarice on e-bay, as we all know...:rolleyes: This may be one reason for an increased awareness of Traditional/Old School knives by the bigger knife public. But, the reviewer does not seem to be motivated by this aspect, he seems to be pleased to have discovered a new area in his appreciation of knives. Very good too! Certainly the Mudbug or its smaller stablemate the Bullnose would be better in D2 or an advanced stainless but GEC more or less shuns that as being perhaps not Traditional. From their point of view at least....
 
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