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I have some good news and I have some bad news. The bad news is my EDC, an all black spyderco military has since stripped a screw in the back spacer. The good news is, that only leaves my sebenza as the runner up. So i've slimmed my EDC down over the years and while the millie is down, i'll be using the sebenza. What shouldn't i do with the sebenza? I know there really isnt anything to corrode on it because the washers are phosphur bronze, the blade is S35VN, and the scales are carbon fiber/titanium. I don't want to ruin my 455$ knife, but i also don't want it to be a safe queen. If i'm stripping the sheathing around copper wire, will it handle that without flat spots? How about coming in contact with hooks while cutting fishing line? Whittling dirty wood? Rope? Plastic bottles? What will hurt the steel? I've never used this steel before, so i don't how how soft or brittle it is. Convince me to use it!
 
SuzukiGS750EZ said:
I have some good news and I have some bad news. The bad news is my EDC, an all black spyderco military has since stripped a screw in the back spacer. The good news is, that only leaves my sebenza as the runner up. So i've slimmed my EDC down over the years and while the millie is down, i'll be using the sebenza. What shouldn't i do with the sebenza? I know there really isnt anything to corrode on it because the washers are phosphur bronze, the blade is S35VN, and the scales are carbon fiber/titanium. I don't want to ruin my 455$ knife, but i also don't want it to be a safe queen. If i'm stripping the sheathing around copper wire, will it handle that without flat spots? How about coming in contact with hooks while cutting fishing line? Whittling dirty wood? Rope? Plastic bottles? What will hurt the steel? I've never used this steel before, so i don't how how soft or brittle it is. Convince me to use it!
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Dude. And this is just my opinion...but you paid $455 for it. USE IT!!!!! :D It can handle anything the Military can.
 
I rinse mine off every day with soapy water to clean it after using it.... And just use it hard, don't worry bro . It'll get ya through the day;)
 
SuzukiGS750EZ said:
The bad news is my EDC, an all black spyderco military has since stripped a screw in the back spacer. The good news is, that only leaves my sebenza as the runner up.
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I would think that the fine folks at Spyderco would be able to fix your Military to perfection. I don't know enough about steel to suggest what not to cut with it. However, one of the reasons folks buy CRK is because of their exceptional warranty. In which case; use it, but don't abuse it, then use it again until you can't use it anymore, then just send it back home for a relaxing spa treatment.:)
 
I've personally never understood why someone would buy a knife and not wanna use it. Especially a CRK. Lifetime warranty, plus spa treatment. Just use it. That's what a knife is for.
 
What shouldn't you do with a Sebenza? You shouldn't let it sit unused.

You paid good money for it. Get your money's worth and use it.

After a couple years when it's all scratches up, you can send it in for a spa treatment and it will come back looking brand new.

Can't do that with a military.

Also,
it will handle everything the military will plus a little more with its thicker tip.

Enjoy.

;)
 
Sorry to hear about your military, those are nice knives, but you have a Sebenza; blessing in disguise if you ask me! :D
 
I am sure Spyderco will fix up your military nicely. Take this opportunity to get past the price you paid for the sebenza and use it. I carry mine every day (mostly, it is in rotation with my para 2) and use it for light EDC stuff. I have grown to really appreciate the Sebenza through use. I didn't appreciate it as much right away, until I started carrying and using it. You got your self a good, strong, lightweight EDC that is made to work, I say use it for whatever you would use your military for!
 
Funny. I consider my Millie the knife to treat with kid gloves. The Sebenza is stouter & more durable in every way.
 
archieblue said:
Funny. I consider my Millie the knife to treat with kid gloves. The Sebenza is stouter & more durable in every way.
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I totally agree with you guys except my Sebenza gets dull really fast if I break down a couple of boxes. This time around I sharpened to a toothier edge and didn't go for a polished edge.

I think it's going to last longer - like the Military which I can only get a sharp but sparkly looking edge on.
 
I used to be in the clan of "I wish CRK did a harder HT" until I bought a Spyderco Delica that had the poorest edge retention of any knife I've ever had. It brought me to really pay serious attention to raising/REMOVING the burr when sharpening. What I began doing is after sharpening is I'll whack the p!ss out of the blade on an old hickory hatchet handle after sharpening to reveal this. If it folds, or I can "see" the edge, i have not sufficiently removed the wire edge. Now I would put My Sebs against any of my other knives any day. Paying careful attention to sharpening I have tested my CRK Sm Seb against my Strider mSJ75 (both S35VN) & there is zero difference in edge retention in a rather abusive cutt test. (slicing paper, then a BUNCH of cardboard, back to paper, soft wood, paper, hard wood, back to paper.) I've also gone from thinking my Sebs are my easiest knives to sharpen to the hardest/most particular, now I view them as pretty strait forward.
 
I actually like the softness of the blade. The reason is, I only have a Sharpmaker and I am terrible at freehand. Therefore, I need to be able to do more frequent touch ups, instead of full on sharpening.
 
archieblue said:
I used to be in the clan of "I wish CRK did a harder HT" until I bought a Spyderco Delica that had the poorest edge retention of any knife I've ever had. It brought me to really pay serious attention to raising/REMOVING the burr when sharpening. What I began doing is after sharpening is I'll whack the p!ss out of the blade on an old hickory hatchet handle after sharpening to reveal this. If it folds, or I can "see" the edge, i have not sufficiently removed the wire edge. Now I would put My Sebs against any of my other knives any day. Paying careful attention to sharpening I have tested my CRK Sm Seb against my Strider mSJ75 (both S35VN) & there is zero difference in edge retention in a rather abusive cutt test. (slicing paper, then a BUNCH of cardboard, back to paper, soft wood, paper, hard wood, back to paper.) I've also gone from thinking my Sebs are my easiest knives to sharpen to the hardest/most particular, now I view them as pretty strait forward.
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Was there a wire on the Delica? Just odd since my FFG Delica outlasted both my S30 & S35 Sebs out of the factory.... by a good margin.
 
SMI said:
Was there a wire on the Delica? Just odd since my FFG Delica outlasted both my S30 & S35 Sebs out of the factory.... by a good margin.
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Yeah, my VG-10 Delicas and Enduras have noticeably better edge retention than my S35VN CRKs. And I've used both VERY extensively now.
 
m1ghtysauc3 said:
I actually like the softness of the blade. The reason is, I only have a Sharpmaker and I am terrible at freehand. Therefore, I need to be able to do more frequent touch ups, instead of full on sharpening.
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Your logic is backwards here. A harder blade will allow more time between sharpenings using frequent touch ups.

Soft steel will touch up easier, but it will need a full reprofile due to damage/flattening much quicker than a harder steel that is more resistant to deformation.
 
No he's got it right...because it's right for him. One thing about you haters of CRK steel cannot understand is that no matter what you say, some people use their CRK knives and like the rockwell it's sold at. Some people prefer a softer steel that's easier to touch up and doesn't chip when digging in the dirt or hitting a fishook hard when cutting some line and you're drunk.

I use my S35 small for everything. Fishing, cooking, splitting chickens...just not much cardboard cutting. I don't need to at work and don't get my thrills cutting cardboard for 1000 times over 30 min, droning on commenting on my sebenza. After 3 weeks of constant use on vacation including all cooking, the belly was a little dull. Touched up fine with a sharpmaker using grey and white only. After a year, I've never needed the diamond hones for any sharpening. I sharpen at 30 degrees with about 4 swipes a side on the flats at 40 degrees for a microbevel.
 
CrimsonTideShooter said:
Your logic is backwards here. A harder blade will allow more time between sharpenings using frequent touch ups.

Soft steel will touch up easier, but it will need a full reprofile due to damage/flattening much quicker than a harder steel that is more resistant to deformation.
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Interesting discussion. I love this place for the knowledge. I thought I would throw in my thoughts on the subject. I have used my Lrg insingo for light edc tasks since I started using it. Packages, food prep, etc a cardboard box here and there. No rope tests, copper wire or zip ties have needed to be cut yet:P But for my uses, I have been touching up on a loaded strop bat (in an effort to keep a convexed edge). I really like the ease of touching this thing up. And with my uses, it doesn't really get "dull" in between, it just loses the hair popping ability in a couple days of use. It retains a good working edge until a week later when its time for the loaded strop again. I am wondering keeping the edge convexed on a sebenza is the way to go? I still plan on picking up some high grit sand paper when the day comes when I need sharpen.
 
brownshoe said:
No he's got it right...because it's right for him. One thing about you haters of CRK steel cannot understand is that no matter what you say, some people use their CRK knives and like the rockwell it's sold at. Some people prefer a softer steel that's easier to touch up and doesn't chip when digging in the dirt or hitting a fishook hard when cutting some line and you're drunk.

I use my S35 small for everything. Fishing, cooking, splitting chickens...just not much cardboard cutting. I don't need to at work and don't get my thrills cutting cardboard for 1000 times over 30 min, droning on commenting on my sebenza. After 3 weeks of constant use on vacation including all cooking, the belly was a little dull. Touched up fine with a sharpmaker using grey and white only. After a year, I've never needed the diamond hones for any sharpening. I sharpen at 30 degrees with about 4 swipes a side on the flats at 40 degrees for a microbevel.
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"Hater's of CRK steel" seems like a harsh name for the group. I surely don't hate the steel, if I did I most certainly wouldn't own 10+ CRKs, all S35VN.

I most definitely would change the HT if I could, but hate the steel I don't.
 
raym0016@gmail.com said:
Interesting discussion. I love this place for the knowledge. I thought I would throw in my thoughts on the subject. I have used my Lrg insingo for light edc tasks since I started using it. Packages, food prep, etc a cardboard box here and there. No rope tests, copper wire or zip ties have needed to be cut yet:P But for my uses, I have been touching up on a loaded strop bat (in an effort to keep a convexed edge). I really like the ease of touching this thing up. And with my uses, it doesn't really get "dull" in between, it just loses the hair popping ability in a couple days of use. It retains a good working edge until a week later when its time for the loaded strop again. I am wondering keeping the edge convexed on a sebenza is the way to go? I still plan on picking up some high grit sand paper when the day comes when I need sharpen.
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I'd say that there is a noticeable decrease in the performance when one changes from CRK's convex edge to a V edge. I personally dislike maintaining a convex edge, and I can't get a convex edge nearly as sharp as a V edge, so I prefer the V edge. I do think that the convex nature of the facotry edge will outlast a V edge of the same sharpness.

I put that part in bold because none of my CRKs have ever really come sharp, at least not to my standards. That's another reason I instantly turn them into V edges. I would love to use a properly sharp convex edge from the factory, that is completely burr free. I have gotten some new CRKs with NASTY burrs on the edge. Can't really fault them for it I guess since they are under such a rush.
 
I recently used my Umnumzaan to strip bark. Two hours straight, peeling wood, hitting knots, etc and the edge held up fine. A naked branch and a good size blister on my thumb (and a cut on the other) and the Umnumzaan still slices and cuts without issue.

I didn't have to touch up the edge prior, during, or after the use.

Is it still polished and without marks? Nope, but she still cuts without issue.
 
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