Ok, strange question here, but I need to know...

Phillip Patton

Phillip Patton

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Now that I'm (for the time being) not stamping serial numbers on my knives, I'm including a ceritificate of origin with each one. I made my own certificate. Here's what it looks like:


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My question is this: Who is the original owner? The knife in question was sold through a dealer. So am I the original owner, or the dealer, or the customer who bought it from the dealer? I would say the customer is the original owner.

What say you all?

Thanks,
Phillip
 
I'd say original owner is the first person who purchased it for their own use/collection. I dont think a dealer should be listed as the original owner.

Perhaps put down "Sold by:" and then you can specify dealer or maker.
 
David Schott said:
I'd say original owner is the first person who purchased it for their own use/collection. I dont think a dealer should be listed as the original owner.
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I agree.

Perhaps put down "Sold by:" and then you can specify dealer or maker.
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That's a good idea, thanks. I'll put that on the next version.
 
David Schott said:
I'd say original owner is the first person who purchased it for their own use/collection. I dont think a dealer should be listed as the original owner.

Perhaps put down "Sold by:" and then you can specify dealer or maker.
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+1 for me too.....i like a certificate with a knife.....ryan
 
I agree with these guys. I like the certificate with the knife as well:)
 
No doubt about it. Whoever bought the knife for his/her collection is going to want to see his/her name on the certificate, not the dealer's.
 
I would take off the owners's name - however defined - alltogether. It's really not needed for a COA/COO.
 
No serial numbers? :eek: Not even on mine? :( I can keep hold of a stamped serial number better than a certificate. May my camp knife please have the serial number?

For the certificate, I agree with Joss that the owner section would be better off omitted. Without the serial number, how will an owner associate a particular Patton blade with its certificate? Even us non-collectors can't limit ourselves to just one, so it must be even harder for the collectors.
 
I agree with Joss. The knife is being authenticated with a cert. from the maker. The owners' names aren't necessary, IMO.
 
I think all references to owners whether original or subsequent should be omitted. I also think the original price should be omitted, but be part of your internal records if someone wanted to contact you for that information, and even then it should be on a need to know basis as determined by you.

One version I've seen is created when the knife is finished and has a good quality photo of the knife and all the technical inflormation and date completed and it goes with the knife whether to a dealer or individual customer. A copy of this is retained by the maker for his records and that copy includes the customer's name and the selling price.

Paul
 
Dude......that's not a strange question. I thought you were going to ask what style of dress you should wear for the JS judging:eek: Just put in extra line in for dealers who buy knives and let them fill out the "sold to"
 
sheathmaker said:
I think all references to owners whether original or subsequent should be omitted. I also think the original price should be omitted, but be part of your internal records if someone wanted to contact you for that information, and even then it should be on a need to know basis as determined by you.

One version I've seen is created when the knife is finished and has a good quality photo of the knife and all the technical inflormation and date completed and it goes with the knife whether to a dealer or individual customer. A copy of this is retained by the maker for his records and that copy includes the customer's name and the selling price.

Paul
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That's a good concept IMHO.
 
In my opinion the owners (first user/collector) should be named as well as sequential owners there after. Also, I believe the certificate should have a photo and an embossed stamp/seal from the maker. As one of the main purposes for a certificate is to protect against counterfeiting.

I agree, counterfeiting isn't a wide spread problem right now, but it will be as custom knives values increase.
The counterfeiting of engines and drivetrains is a huge problem in classic cars, especially in classic Corvettes.

These embossed stamps/seals with the maker's name are the same as what corporations use to stamp official documents and can be purchased from most office supply stores and are not very expensive.
 
I really can't understand why anyone would want their name on such a document. As a collector, it wouldn't prevent me from buying the knife, but I would never send that document to the next buyer. I don't want to have my name circulating around on a piece of paper.
 
Well, thank you all for your input. You answered the question I asked AND one I didn't ask. :D
Since majority opinion seems to be that I lose the owners names, I'll drop those from the next version.
Or, I'll keep both types, just in case.
 
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