OK... what about chips in an asymmetrical edge?

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My Basic 11, at least according to my limited knowledge and expertise, seems to have chipped. I have no clue what tear outs are (Google doesn't help) and I don't think it's a roll because I can't seem to realign anything. The steel is just missing is how I can best describe it, but it's not like a small chip or flake broke off--it's 1/4" length of the edge that got deformed. It happened in two different spots, both at the belly.

... HOW DO I FIX THIS :upset::blue::cold::dejection: HOW DO I FIX MY BABY :disturbed::culpability::chargrined:

I looked up this thread and I realize I could sharpen it out but I don't want to remove much steel. But since I don't seem to have any steel to realign since, I think, it didn't roll, is sharpening off all that steel the only way?

I guess I'm just hopeful because there was another thread recently where it looked like pretty bad chip damage but it turned out to just be rolls...
 
Was this one of the Blade specials? Jerry stated that he was .... "scotched", let's say... so maybe something happened that normally wouldn't have. Give the shop a call and they'll powder and pamper your baby back to a sweet edge. :)


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You don't have anything to fix...I really don't see anything wrong with that section you highlighted.
 
RVO3VOM said:
Was this one of the Blade specials? Jerry stated that he was .... "scotched", let's say... so maybe something happened that normally wouldn't have. Give the shop a call and they'll power and pamper your baby back to a sweet edge. :)
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Yeah but I was hoping to do it myself... I got this blade with a few dull spots so I already had to ground some of the steel off. Wasn't one of the Blade specials, I don't think. I really don't know, got it third-hand I think.

safetyman said:
You don't have anything to fix...I really don't see anything wrong with that section you highlighted.
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Sorry, it's kind of hard to see in the picture. I took about 20 pictures and that was the best one, but I realized it's still tough to see so I gave the best verbal description of it that I could.
 
drbarnes said:
doesnt look chipped at all, looks a little dulled, thats all

strop it up
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I tried a ceramic steel on it first to realign it in case it was rolled, but nothing got realigned. I took it to some mousepad-backed sandpaper next but to grind away enough to even out that dull spot, whatever it is, I'd have to take off a considerable amount of steel.

I'll try a strop... thanks!
 
I had this happen to my boss jack when I chopped a ceramic cats head off. It happened in two places. I'm just letting it be until enough sharpenings get it out. I was surprised when it happened and couldn't be "realigned" with a ceramic rod. It's almost like it was dented but the metals gone. Sad day.
 
ChristoDart said:
I had this happen to my boss jack when I chopped a ceramic cats head off. It happened in two places. I'm just letting it be until enough sharpenings get it out. I was surprised when it happened and couldn't be "realigned" with a ceramic rod. It's almost like it was dented but the metals gone. Sad day.
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I remember that. Ceramic cat got the last laugh, huh :( I think "denting the metal" is a pretty illustrative description for what happened here... I don't think I smacked her against a rock or anything though
 
I can see what you are talking about now. Looks like someone banged that area up in the past and after a while the wire edge let go. I wouldn't worry about it as long as you keep it stropped. That may end up the best area on the edge that you have if you need to "saw" through something.

Otherwise, it looks like you would need to remove a bit of steel to make the edge 'perfect'. Which edge you work on, I'm not sure, but would think the flat side. :)


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RVO3VOM said:
I can see what you are talking about now. Looks like someone banged that area up in the past and after a while the wire edge let go. I wouldn't worry about it as long as you keep it stropped. That may end up the best area on the edge that you have if you need to "saw" through something.

Otherwise, it looks like you would need to remove a bit of steel to make the edge 'perfect'. Which edge you work on, I'm not sure, but would think the flat side. :)


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Yeah, it is sharp... it's just not an even edge, so that throws me off a bit. It probably won't affect its main role as a chopper.
I stropped it as Barnes recommended. Of course the imperfection is still there, but glad to know it's not a big disaster. Thanks, hogs
 
Its sad to look at but after a hard camping trip I normally resharpen starting at 600 grit. (removing minimal amounts of metal) I've done it twice since the cat and the "dents" are very close to gone. They may be some of the best knives made but I'm sticking to wood from now on :o
 
IMHO, if your primary use for the B-11 is that of a chopper, sharpen it the best you can and let it go. You will in time work the edge down to were the little nick will go away. I have done that with a NMFBM and a WAKI. Personally I want spend a lot of time and energy nor worry about trying to keep a super fine edge on a chopper. A chopper is a chopper, use it. Now I'm NOT saying ignore it or don't sharpen it, on the contrary. Keep you tools sharp but for a little nick, shoot no big deal.
 
Dents from impact on very thin portions (the very tip of the edge is of course very thin by nature) of INFI will occur with use as a simple result to the laws of physics than can not be by passed (although it is far less with INFI and SR101 than any other steel I have used), but it won't affect the performance enough to worry about it and it is not a chip. Some guys like worn coating that shows off battle scars, and the edge wears too which yields similar results. If it bothers one enough to be a problem a resharpening on the flat edge side should clean it up. Like Russ said, it is a chopper, which means it probably isn't a good contender for a beauty pageant.

Oh, and if that little teeny spot bothers you, then trust me, you don't even want to see my asym B11 user edge. ;)
 
If it bothers you send it to Busse. They fixed a SJTAC for me, I had to look close- I thought they made me a new knife! You would be very happy. Otherwise; it's a chopper. If it was a chip in the edge of an axe or hatchet would you even notice?
 
Gary,

If you would like just send it to us and we will get it fixed up for you:)

Thank you,
Amy
Customer Service
Busse Combat
 
Awesome! Thanks, everyone :)

I guess this is why I need two of every blade :thumbup:

Tim, do you have pics of your B11? I'm curious now.

I know sending in to Busse is always an option... but I personally refuse to send it until it's at such a point of abuse and wear that just looking at it could make you laugh. But at this rate I can see that won't be for a long, long time :eek:
 
Is there a lip on either side of the damaged area? if you run your finger along them as though you were testing for a burr and you feel a small line that your finger print catches on, it is probably a mash rather than a roll. Rolls are more noticeable because all the misaligned metal goes to one side, giving a pronounced appearance. mashes can go perfectly equidistant making it harder to see the moved metal.

Think of a tear out like ripping a piece of string cheese off. It's not so much that it's fibrous as that it's got a stickiness to it, you have to 'tear it away' from the main piece. Think of chips like a piece of glass popping off a thin walled wine glass and flying to the other side of the room. The glass is under an inherent residual stress that gives it energy when one piece is knocked off, often sending it flying. Chips tend to break away quickly with a single local stress, rather than having to be pushed or pulled off the knife.

I don't know if any of that makes sense... With how small your damage looks to be, I'd say sharpen it out, since you won't be moving the edge back more than .5mm.
 
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